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Tenants not turning on heat

  • 04-12-2025 07:57AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭


    Hi, New landlord here renting 2 bed apartment adjacent to home house to a young couple since September. Had to pop into them there last week to check on issue with clogged sink and couldn't help but notice how cold it was there. It's a small 40sq metre apt just newly built this year with 3 energy efficient rads that have place heated up in 20 mins. Esb bills come to me and I can see from smart meter they only using average 2-3 units per day. October usage for month was 85 units and one of them works from home few days a week. They have two big blanket hoodies there on couch when I visited so it's not like they don't feel the cold.

    Know it's none of my business as to how often they turn on heat but can a landlord request that tenants somehow heat a place to help maintain it. They also rarely open blinds/curtains and am concerned that will have mould/ condensation issues.

    None of these are highlighted in contract from my behalf and it's something I will note for future tenants but wondering is there anything else I can do say on it. Thinking of saying we will turn on heat for few days over Xmas when they gone home and we will cover the electricity cost for that duration.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Energy is expensive and lots of people are struggling

    Unfortunately what you describe is not at all uncommon among Irish renters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 473 ✭✭pjdarcy


    You could offer to reduce their rent by a hundred euros a month for the winter period in order to allow them to afford to heat the place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,639 ✭✭✭✭martingriff




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Tough one to call. A house is a living thing, it needs fresh air in every day with the windows opened and and the heating turned on. there has to be some compromise like a dehumidifier.

    Yeah unless you have your own house with wood fired stoved and source of fuel, Fuel is expensive. Its the same price per BTU for coal, gas or electricity. I am not against the Uddies and blankets but the damp air has to be cleared every day. They will get black mould. I lived in an apartment and had to open every day but I was over a chipper and had free heating. I still had to air the house every day and wipe condensation from the windows in the morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    The place is either part of the OPs pension fund or mortgaged. The bank manager doesnt read the weather report first thing in the morning. The world doesn't work that way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,760 ✭✭✭yagan


    Saving money for a deposit perhaps?



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,911 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Due to energy costs and no credits this year coupled with expensive storage heating, we have to make a decision everyday whether we can afford to put the heating on based on what the weather is going to be the next day. Some days we just have to wear an extra layer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,090 ✭✭✭Shelflife


    Its a tough position to be in, I had something similar. Tenant wouldnt use the central heating and there was also a small leak under the sink in the kitchen that she didnt tell me about ( even though I had sent a plumber twice for other small issues ).

    Net result was an extremely damp house and mould, its not good for the long term health of your property.

    If they are good tenants otherwise maybe put some money into their ESB account for Christmas and ask them to heat the house. It might be more beneficial to you in the long run.

    Are the ESB bills in your name ? If so you need to change that asap to the tenants name,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,832 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    A 40sqm 2bed is criminally small.

    I assume that’s a typo. As it Couldn’t possibly be that small, that’s only fit for a studio.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Escapees


    An interesting proposal is to simply include electricity in the rental, up to a fair usage of say 75-100 quid a month on average, assuming the tenants are somewhat trustworthy. That way, there's an incentive for them to heat the place but not take the mick, like having the heating on and the windows open as you often see in places where heating is included! Btw, 2-3 units of electricity a day is incredibly low usage!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,367 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I've seen two bed houses that small for sale in Dublin alright, I'm sure there are plenty of small apartments that size too.

    https://www.daft.ie/for-sale/house-46-eugene-street-the-coombe-dublin-8/6443880



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,832 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    That terrace house is over 100 years old, built long before there were planning/building regulations. Those edrooms are painfully small. OP said his apartment is new, so it needs to be a better standard than Georgian tenements.

    No 2-beds in the last 30 years should be anything close to 40sqm. Only studio apartment's should be that small.
    Min size for a 2bed for the last 10 years or so was 73sqm. (was updated this year).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 473 ✭✭pjdarcy


    As with most regulations in Ireland, no one is policing this stuff. What's to stop a builder from splitting a bedroom in two to convert a one bed apartment into a two bed apartment?

    Having said that, I agree that 40sqm is ridiculously small for a two bed. It must have two single sized bedrooms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,179 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    3 energy efficient rads

    I'm guessing from your discussion of the electricity bill that these are electric heaters, in which case they're no more or less efficient than any other electric heaters and by far the most expensive way of heating a room. I'm not surprised they're wary of turning them on.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    No I lived in a log cabin for a couple of years with wife, 32 M2. Its a kitchen/sitting room, 1 bedroom and shower/toilet. It was hell but we were between A and B.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭The Mulk


    Those modular built "granny flats" are 40m2 with two small bedrooms and electric heating.

    Could be something similar, I've worked in a few and heat up quickly, but you do need a level of heat constantly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 Diddly Squat


    I was in this position op, the first tenant i ever had didn't understand we need the heat on and apartment aired every day, I went in after a month and the place was black with mould and the damp was unbelievable, I tried to explain what to do to her but it just didn't get through so I had to ask her to leave as the place would be destroyed if she had stayed. The next tenants I had it included all bills in the rent for the month and have never had an issue since then. Make sure all vents are clear and tell them open windows regularly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 679 ✭✭✭PixelCrafter


    Yeah, unless they're a heat pump based system 1kWh of electricity in = 1kWh of heat out.

    Night storage heaters just save a significant % as the price per kWh is usually around 50% less at on night rate.

    Unless it's a technological break through defying the laws of physics, any electric heater claiming to be 'energy efficient' is mostly working on marketing hype and lies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Escapees


    Agree 100% - it's generally good marketing by companies that presumably is actually referring to the control electronics for their heater products, e.g. lots of timing features and more accurate digital temperature setting capability. Perhaps they may be shown to be ever so slightly more efficient compared to a traditional thermostat controlled heater with an overshoot and undershoot when switching on and off, but the heating element will always be pretty much 100% efficient.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭mjp


    Looks like I'll just have to include it in rent for future tenants to ensure place gets some heat. Will throw these tenants €100 at Xmas and ask them to try and give the place a few hours heat once a week n will look after whatever extra it is on bill and will ask them to air out the place during weekend when not gone to work. Those worrying bout 40 sq metres being too small. It's all about how you utilize the space you have to make it as efficient as you can.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭mjp


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    That's a rough drawing of floorplan along with images of kitchen/ living area

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Bargain_Hound


    A house shouldn't "need" heat to prevent it from going mouldy. If it is designed & constructed correctly, with adequate ventilation, mould should not be an issue. The choice for a tenant to put the heat on or not should be theirs and not to prevent the inadequate or shortcomings of the design and construction.

    Is this apartment a log cabin type/garden room type of construction ?

    I own my own home and still cautiously use the heating due to the expense to run it. I rather wear another layer than wfh all day with the heating on. It's not really for you to observe what clothes are lying around to judge if that is why they have not used the heating.

    Lastly, a good few years ago now I rented a converted garage which was insulated very well to the owners opinion. It was a freezer once the electric heating went off!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    The rental market has changed so much in the last few years and places are hard to find. Tenants need to protect themselves and follow the terms of their lease during the first six months as that’s when a landlord can terminate for any reason. Both sides need to comply with their responsibilities but landlords should make sure tenants understand their obligations so they don’t do something by accident and cause themselves problems.
    Mould due to no heat or lack of fresh air should be preventable especially in a recent build. I agree with @Bargain_Hound that a house only built recently shouldn’t need heat to stop it going mouldy.

    Sounds like the property could be a log cabin if the electric bills are going to the landlord.

    From the RTB

    Obligations of tenants.

    16.—In addition to the obligations arising by or under any other enactment, a tenant of a dwelling shall—

    …..

    (f) not do any act that would cause a deterioration in the condition the dwelling was in at the commencement of the tenancy, but there shall be disregarded, in determining whether this obligation has been complied with at a particular time, any deterioration in that condition owing to normal wear and tear, that is to say wear and tear that is normal having regard to—

    (i) the time that has elapsed from the commencement of the tenancy,….

    (g) if paragraph (f) is not complied with, take such steps as the landlord may reasonably require to be taken for the purpose of restoring the dwelling to the condition mentioned in paragraph (f) or to defray any costs incurred by the landlord in his or her taking such steps as are reasonable for that purpose,….

    Post edited by mrslancaster on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,018 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    something doesn’t compute here: newly built, less than 40 sq m and requiring significant heating. Doesn’t sound like it meets any modern building standards, is this just a converted shed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,782 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


     and will ask them to air out the place during weekend

    Does the place not have any vents? It shouldn't need to be aired out weekly. Especially considering the weather we have had the last few weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Escapees


    In all fairness, it looks like the OP has put some effort into the apartment and finished it nicely. I can also see what looks like a vent above the window in the kitchen.

    In my experience, an unheated home generally doesn't suffer from mould unless there's a lot of cooking or clothes-drying being done. These activities result in condensation forming on cold surfaces and the mould sets in then. Similarly, it can actually be the case sometimes that intermittently heating a room such as a bedroom overnight can result in mould forming due to the air becoming warm and humid as a result of the combination of the heating and the moisture breathed out by the occupant.

    A simple 'fix' if necessary for the owner is to get a dehumidifier and wall-mount it in the main living space with collected water piped outside. This dehumidifier could be programmed to only run when the humidity level gets too high etc. Of course, who foots the bill for this is another matter!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 Diddly Squat


    A house not being heated doesn't cause mould, moisture does, and 2 people living in a small apartment produce quite a lot of moisture going anout their daily activities, its uo to the tenant to give the place back as good as they got it minus normal wear and tear, their decision to not turn on the heat could cause deterioration beyond normal wear and tear



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 Diddly Squat


    That's a very tidy job op, it looks very well and a great use of space



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,832 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    The planning system literally polices it. If a builder decides to turn 1beds (or studios) into 2 beds he won’t can’t a certificate of compliance with planning/buiding regulations.

    I doubt it had planning permission. It’s possible, but most likely it either no planning at all. Or was approved as ancillary to an actually dwelling and was rented on the dodge.

    Regardless, that a studio size. It’s doable as a living space. 2beds is 40sqm is not imo.

    Post edited by Mellor on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Taking the 5th on the planning permission. It was charity from within the family.



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