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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    One for pro russian posters to ponder.

    If Ukraine is as full of nazi's as Putin/Russia says, square that circle with the below

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,064 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    An Irish navy ship spotted up to five drones operating near the flight path of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy's aircraft as he arrived for a state visit to Ireland on Monday, local media reported on Thursday.The sighting triggered a major security alert amid fears it was an attempt to interfere with the flight path, the Irish Times reported. It quoted unnamed sources as saying the aircraft, which arrived slightly early, was not in any danger. (Reuters)

    RTE saying there is no Garda investigation.

    UK official inquiry blames Russia for the 2018 Salisbury Poisonings. The poisonings killed British citizen Dawn Sturgiss and poisoned Russian exile Sergey Skripal and his daughter Yulia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    Let's hope for a lot of hits and that the majority don't get shot down



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,609 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Where did the Killiney angle with the drones come from? I can't find it on any news. Only mentioned Howth/North Dublin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,060 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Me testing out the russian agents.

    It's not that I didn't know the difference between Howth and Killiney. No sir.

    *The Russian boat anchored off Killiney in July and I thought that was in north dublin.

    The Army rangers may turn around and head north again..😬 In searches.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,384 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    ok, so to ask my question another way… what has to happen from today onwards (lets not look back into the past), December 4th 2025, how does the killing stop by this time tomorrow? what does Ukraine have to do, and what does Russia have to do? (lets also not involve countries that aren't currently fighting the war). How does the killing stop overnight? how do we stop the drones killing sleeping citizens?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,397 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,496 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Putin: 'No compromise, we'll keep going.'

    Sand: 'Why don't Ukraine and Europe want to compromise?'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,481 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Watch what I do here, I’m going to take your text and make small changes;


    «Yes - this is the prudent, vigilant and even hawkish view to hold especially now they have moved on Poland. I believe the best way to end this now is to give them leeway to reenege and pull out with something for them which signifies a win. 

    Calling them names and saying that they want more or can't be believed is the sure way to WW3. We need to give them more - pull the Polish out of the occupied territories and include the Nazi Germans in the future of global business. To shut them out completely and start demanding reparations for war crimes is a closed off strategy. 

    Ultimatums usually backfire when the accused call it's bluff. To lay down the law to Nazi Germany now is not advisable. We need an agreement and now.”

    Boardsie…meet your new best buddy Neville Chamberlain. History remembers him for being totally right and giving us “peace in our time”!

    Oh wait….something else happened when people tried to appease an openly facist state while it went around stealing land through threats and violence. The lesson from WWII is this: Do not give totalitarian bell-ends leeway



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,058 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    At every point in the crisis, going back to at least 2013/14 Europe has constantly pushed for no compromises and to always escalate, claiming that Russia will collapse if just a bit more pressure is put on it. 

    Lol. It is genuinely not possible to be more wrong in describing the situation. Like this is some weird fever dream you are having clearly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭mike_cork


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    Smoking accident in Russia this evening



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,496 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    It's not a mistake, it's Russian propaganda that they've been spouting for years. They're always the victims, they're the ones who have to defend themselves, it's Ukraine and the West that has to give in,...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,064 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Left to Right. Witkoffs gloomy face when meeting Ukraine, and his happy face for Putin.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    You don't even have to go back that far. Or even argue about how appeasing dictators doesn't work in general.

    We know from recent history that appeasing this particular dictator doesn't work. We did nothing when he took a chunk of Georgia. We tried to appease him by engaging in trade after he robbed Crimea and a chunk of Donbas in 2014.

    And here he is again. Every single point in every negotiation Putin makes is can be summarized as "leave yourself defenceless and we promise not to invade".

    You really have to be cosmically ignorant to think handing Putin just a little more will somehow stop this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭ElektroToad


    Lots of heated posts and I think the trap people are falling into is the morality argument.

    Call me a downer, but I feel this conflict (and the Gaza conflict) has taught us is a lesson I think the leaders of Europe have forgotten: Might makes right.

    Russia reluctantly accepted NATO expansion into its errr.. old neigborhood… in the 90s and early 00's because frankly, they were in a mess and unable to stand against a dominant US. I think the first sign that changed was the Georgian war in 08 when Putin's Russia finally felt ready to flex its military muscles again and re-assert itself as a minor regional power.

    One of the reasons Europe is not being listened to isn't because our political position is fundamentally wrong (it's totally in our self-interest to see Ukraine win, or at very least humiliate Russia into a compromise) but because we don't have the strength to back up the words. We aren't taken seriously by US or Russia.

    Whatever way this war ends, Europe needs to start getting serious about its military capacity. Not just in terms of raw size of the standing military, but also industrial capacity, securing reliable sources of cheap energy etc. I would also start a programme to get as many Ukrainian combat veterans as we can as instructors / consultants for our own forces. Basically I think we (Europe) need to really start preparing for the next potential conflict, as I feel Ukraine is getting boxed into a corner by Trump and Putin, while Europe is left as a hapless spectator. Lessons must be learned from this.

    I don't want to be misrepresented as some kind of Russian apologist, but I feel like the direction of travel isn't good for Ukraine for about a year now. There was a time when it really looked like Ukraine could have pulled it off and Russia was about to self-destruct (via the Prigozhin / Wagner group revolt), but it feels like that ship has sailed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,064 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Former US Ukraine negotiator in Trumps 1st term, Kurt Volker, says there is growing frustration in the US with failure of Trump to be tougher on Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 958 ✭✭✭mikewest


    Oh here we go again, it's NATO's fault, Ukraine is a lost cause. What's next on the list?

    Are you regurgitating Putin propaganda or simply believing the sh1te that has been pushed the last few weeks? Russia is in trouble and they are doing chapter 2 in the propaganda manual, "Accuse others of what you are doing yourself" which this time is - tada- imploding their economy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,412 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Feck that, it should have been scuttled. Thats the only way to be sure. Ukraine have the right approach. Sink them all

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,368 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    https://thehill.com/policy/international/5631525-russia-sanctions-bill-house-democrats/

    The bipartisan sanctions bill against Russia has hit another roadblock, as some Democrats are working to remove a presidential waiver and block the president from being granted sweeping powers on tariffs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,368 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Senate Appropriations Committee hearing on the abduction of Ukrainian children by Russia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,064 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The Telegraph reports Ukrainian children deported by Russia are being sent to a camp in North Korea.

    …Kateryna Rashevska, a representative from Ukraine’s regional centre for human rights, told the US Senate that at least two young girls had been sent to Songdowon camp in North Korea.

    At the children’s camp, the two girls – Misha, 12, and Liza, 16 – were “taught to ‘destroy Japanese militarists’ and met Korean veterans who … attacked the US Navy ship Pueblo”, she said.

    Ms Rashevska made the comments at the start of the US Senate’s hearing on Russia’s mass abduction of Ukrainian children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,211 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    One good thing for Ukraine is that Trump’s absolute rule of the Republican party is showing some cracks after recent election results and the ongoing Epstein scandal. Traditional right-wing pols with a Cold War mindset may yet find their voices before some rotten deal is signed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭somenergy


    Very disturbing news seems Zelenskyy was targeted here, we can't defend, should have asked a European partner to help protect against or do not invite, luckily he landed ahead of schedule Russia is good at using drones even from civilian ships doing it all over Europe govt should buy invest in anti drone and modern air defence capability



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,374 ✭✭✭Jizique


    So annoying that India and Modi get a pass, our country is increasingly full of them as is the US with the H1B visa chain, every corporate having back office in Bangalore and other cities there, UvdL and Sefcovic praising them and aiming for free trade agreement when the reality is they are the most 2 faced liars going



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭Field east


    can the government publicly announce NO FLY ZONES for certain areas and for specific days eg for state visits and

    (1)/ fine of Up to €500,000 depending on ‘circumstances for perpretators/s

    (2) award of €50,000 for information leading to a conviction.

    Why ca’nt the army shoot these drones down? There are a lot of sittings of suspicious drones flying in and around airports and other sensitive facilities over seas and I cannot understand why these are not shot down. The law should be changed if it is currently stopping this being done

    We must NOT FORGET that we are currently going through VERY UNUSUAL TIMES. We are giving RUSSIA a totally FREE RIDE for its international SMOs’



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭Field east


    A ‘bit of pressure ‘ was put on the US in Vietnam by locals ‘on pushbikes with guns, shovels , bamboo and outgrown bits of locally sourced material and the Biggs pest power in the world eventually had to ‘leave’

    A ‘bit of pressure’ was put on the The USSR in Afganistan by mountain men hiding behind rocks with guns and the USSR ‘ decided to eventually leave’

    The same happened to the US recently in Afganistan - again it ‘decided to eventually leave ‘ that war. It had enough of having to fight locals with basic guns and rudimentary transport

    DonI need to go on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,502 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    How has Russia managed to convince a lot of the world that the aggressor is the victim and nations defending themselves are the warmongers?


    Reading some of the comments on Irish news sites about the drone incursions is baffling and a bit depressing.


    Seems the majority of Irish people are fully on Russias side and against Ukraine and Zelensky.


    I thought Mick Wallace and Daly where just a few useful idiots but they seem to be part of a huge amount who walk among us.

    Post edited by Jinglejangle69 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,496 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Your mistake is using social media comments as gospel.

    1. There is a certain type of thick people who spend their lives in social media comments, especially those of newspapers
    2. Many of them are probably not Irish at all

    I don't believe for a second the majority of Irish people support Russia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    Most of what you see is Bot generated,multiple accounts,posting on multiple platforms,multiple times a day.

    I'd take the vast majority of it with a large pinch of salt.

    That's not to say there isn't the "useful idiots" out there too,but the vast majority are bot comments.

    Don't let them get you down,as that is the objective,to confuse and sow doubt about who the real bad guys are!



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