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New Government of FF + FG + Regional Inds + Healy Raes

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭pureza


    In my opinion,to solve the housing shortage,you need cheap money and longer mortgages

    Why? Because if prices are too low,builders won’t build,they need a margin and plasterers need to be paid more

    Government’s do not have the power to instruct the central bank on interest rates or on loan terms anymore,so ultimately the only answer is for mind sets to switch to renting not buying and to increasing the supply of that resource

    Which unfortunately means higher apartment prices and asking mostly foreign investors to fund the building,because wait for it,to build them the plasterers will also need that pay rise

    No one willing to work because the pay’s not high enough,means nothing built

    What have the left done in the last 7 or 8 years? Demonised those investors as ‘vulture’ funds

    Completely ignoring the inability of the government to fund workers to pay for the purchase of them instead

    They’ve had to tighten rules on mortgages and bank stability since the infamous crash

    I’m sorry if it sounds like a government spin but they are right,the only way to improve housing is supply

    Opposition parties spouting otherwise are just opportunists looking for a seat who if they were in government would soon change their narrative

    To varying degrees,it was ever thus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,034 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Simple Simon to Finance it appears - so he can fcuk that up and lie about it...

    At least this time we'll just go bust, last time children/at least A child died..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,231 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    They are not improving supply. That's the problem. The new plan has no annual targets, it's meaningless. FFG lied about the numbers in 2024 to get more votes. FF primarily. This year's numbers will be terrible. Commencements are down too.

    They took 5 years to do a Planning Bill and didn't address the key planning issues e.g. judicial reviews.

    FFG are not taking the Housing Crisis seriously.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭pureza


    Yeah,I didn’t say they’re improving supply

    I outlined the problems,the hard to surmount problems in the context of humans aka voters,some of them anyway,wanting everything and wanting it now

    Government’s,reasonably responsible ones anyway have a lighter version of the opposition disease of watering down the medicine the country needs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,231 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I think there was a collective public sigh when Martin and Harris went onto another set of podiums outlining yet another plan to speed up delivery of houses.

    The same two clowns made a big deal of the Planning legislation passed last year after years of delays and promises. And even though all the experts were highlighting the problem around judicial reviews and serial objectors, nothing was done to address the problem in the brand new planning legislation. The mind boggles. Who do they think they are fooling? All talk, no action.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,461 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Was it the usual rehashing of previous failed plans just with a new title?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,488 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    And a removal of the targets they were failing to meet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,231 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I have no idea. It was clearly just optics. You know what they are like. Nobody was listening.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,461 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Ah sure why would ya need targets, they only get in the way and are an annoyance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,461 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    I think them coming day after day, week after week, standing at a podium has lost its impact really. The times you would only really see this was on something really important like the Taoiseach stepping down and calling a General election or Varadkar announcing the Covid lockdowns but now its just meh, its some waster from the government making another announcement that we all know is just a load of BS and is done to make it look like they care or are doing something.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,231 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    100% correct. It's just narcissistic behaviour at this point. You never see them on podiums to give an interim progress report on the "plans" because the progress is always bad. Hence they took the annual housing targets out of the housing plan. Smoke and mirrors. When the housing numbers are bad they simply lie about them.

    I have no doubt the housing completion numbers will be very poor again this year. Time for another obscure "plan" then...

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,085 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The planning legislation made significant changes to the process of judicial reviews and who was eligible to make them. And as I recall, the opposition were pretty united in calling that a travesty of justice and the President thought it might be unconstitutional.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,231 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    No it didn't reform the judicial review process. Cooper and Yates did a full podcast on how it was a missed opportunity. They both specifically called out a need for "common good" provisions.

    This is why they are scrambling now to tackle it in yet more legislation. It should have been done in the previous planning act.

    This is from yesterday.

    Government to ‘rebalance’ judicial reviews to fix ‘unwieldy’ processes

    The Government is to introduce reforms that aim to cut delays and reset the “imbalance” between individuals’ right to object and delivering major public infrastructure.

    The Government said the reforms being worked on sought to fix an “imbalance” between the right of the individual to access the courts and the “common good”.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,085 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    They changed who could bring a JR (you had to have raised objections earlier in the process, you couldn't just do it at the JR stage) and they set up specific courts to deal with it.

    I don't disagree it was a missed opportunity - they absolutely should have more aggressively tackled the problem. My issue is that the relatively minor changes they were made were portrayed as govt power grab and overreach by the opposition. I can only imagine the howling had they tried to go further.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,231 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    They need to stop being afraid of the opposition when they have been in government forever. The slow progress on housing will kill them at the next election irrespective of what the opposition think. This is a crisis.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,085 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Fair enough. On that we are in full agreement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭The Venus Project


    I think FF are trying to be all men to all people, rigidly cutting spending, taking an extreme right wing stance on Ukraine and Zelenesky visiting Ireland, however in fairness to them they are also trying to spend on large infrastructure projects, which are badly needed to grow the economy.

    Now they are positioning themselves on all sides of the spectrum but if it works fair play to them. I personally am a FG supporter, but would consider voting for Martin No. 1 in the next election, particularly, if Harris is around.

    That's not to cause division amongst the many FF'ers who are sick and tired of him and those who aren't, but I would point out to them, despite the logjam and dour sentiment around right now, Martin has done more for peace, a disintegration of civil war politics (and he took a very very big risk doing that - he was very brave), he has done an awful lot for relations with Unionists up north without selling his soul, he has done a lot internationally. He has been very brave his entire career, took big risks with little hope of payoff for him personally and politically - that's what you should want in leaders and politics. It's what I'm looking for.

    Just a heads up from one of your fiercest critics - he is capable of gaining a substantial across the aisle vote if he stays on and that's not to put the cat amongst the pigeons or divide FF supporters. What he has done is greatly appreciated from where I stand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,034 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Utter delusion.

    He's a sleveen that decides his opinion based on opinion polls and trying to look good to all sides.

    A power hungry nasty individual.

    The most utterly despicable leader FF have ever had, and thats a fairly high bar...

    For your reference - Im a FF genepool voter who has crossed and voted FG as well as Ind at times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,854 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Grealish in the local Galway Advertiser the last couple of weeks on a couple of different things, ring road, housing etc and of course mentioning the Claregalway bypass. They articles are written as if he is on the opposition benches with no control over things and calling for the government to do more. He IS the government for fcuks sake. His suppose and that of the other indos is the only reason there is a government at the moment. If they are really that bothered by these local issues and the lack of movement on them, pull the plug, bring the government down. But no, it's easier take on those ministerial salaries and wait it out till eligible for ministerial pensions while their constituents continue to wait on decades long projects to come to fruition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭Fanny Wank


    @The Venus Project

    "rigidly cutting spending"

    Eh, what? As my maths teacher used to say "please show your work"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,231 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Why don't you outline some things he has actually achieved? All I see are crisises in every basic service (housing, rentals, health, mental health, disability, transport, basic infrastructure, climate targets, social care, immigration services, a national children's hospital etc). Name a couple of things he achieved and don't say the "smoking ban" from 2004. Btw the civil war politics was a scam to keep a power swap going. FFG abandoned it when they were at risk of losing power.

    I do remember he was in the cabinet when FF ruined the economy and lost our sovereignty.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,459 ✭✭✭Danye


    Whenever the bubble bursts in this country and the corporate tax stops rolling in, this country will be extremely bleak. We will look back at the people in Government since 2016 and it will show how utterly pathetic and useless they were. Billions coming in during those years and what will we have to show for it?

    Health Service crumbling.

    No housing.

    Inadequate public transport infrastructure throughout the country.

    Education system depleted of teachers.

    What else?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,231 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    For me the big one is how successive FFG governments are failing our children, the next generation. Across the board.

    Child Mental health services (waiting up to 13 years for an appointment!).

    Homelessness - 4,500 in emergency accommodation

    Failures in Tusla - 25% of children in care had no social worker. Child protection in foster care and residential care inadequate to say the least.

    Children's Hospital - 8 years delayed so far.

    Health Services - long waiting lists for all public health services (Scoliosis, Disability assessments, diagnosis scans, dental treatment, therapy waiting lists etc).

    All these failures cause long term and lifelong issues which also need to be addressed.

    The previous FFG-Rome coalitions of the 50s-80s failed our children abysmally and somehow it seems to be readily accepted in 2025.

    The tax haven windfall will dry up and we will have nothing to show for it.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭The Venus Project


    I base my evaluation on merit rather than achievement. Achievement, while an indication of good work is not always an adequate measure of merit.

    He has sided with Heather Humphries despite misinformation on this site about the Orange Order and their inability to integrate into this country.

    He has put to one side civil war politics and sided with the party he has many differences with, however, did this to move the country forward out of fundamentalist opposition and oneupsmanship.

    He also has taken a sharp turn to the liberal side of things and appointed accomplished potential future leaders of the party. Chambers and O'Callaghan are not like the Fianna Fail of old so he has brought them into the future away from their past. Whether that is the right or wrong decision can't be judged on current environment outcomes.

    I have only high praise for him.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭Fanny Wank


    "He has put to one side civil war politics and sided with the party he has many differences with, however, did this to move the country forward out of fundamentalist opposition and oneupsmanship."

    Both parties did this out of self preservation and to hang onto power. There was zero noble about it

    Why I'm bothering to respond to a poster who thinks FF has stuck to "rigidly cutting spending" is a mystery so I'll stop at one post



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,231 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,231 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Another low for this shoddy government.

    Govt defends video for adults moving in with parents

    They simply couldn't care less.

    Will they ask Darragh O'Brien to patronise them further with some completely made up housing completion numbers this year?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,055 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    300 million on defence is peanuts, they might as well Just give them a few water pistols.

    And to make it worse McEntee is the minister at this crucial time when our defence capability is in the news both here and elsewhere.

    They should have left her in education where all she would have to deal with is cranky teachers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭The Venus Project


    Do you really believe Michael Martin, the leader of the founding Republican Party in this country, joined with FG and went against his own parties history for self preservation? If he wanted to preserve himself he would have joined with SinnFeinn. They are more aligned historically sand idelologically and it would have been the populist route and he would have had overwhelming popularity in this country. He didn’t do that and give in to his instincts to preserve himself and his party. He chose the path towards reconciliation and to move this country forward and out of civil war politics.

    If I did say the piece on cutting spending and a quick review above tells me I did , here is why, Jack Chambers has a body established to look for ways to cut spending to accelerate infrastructure. It is easy to pick apart a post made in good faith to support a leader, I won’t get into the many ways people dislike Martin or thought he didn’t lead with skill and competence. I believe he is highly competent leader and I believe the environment was not right during his time in office.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,034 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Seriously ?

    A poster with 77 posts suddenly popping up to defend a generally utterly despised self publicist.

    Even most FF ers I know dislike him and believe him to be self serving Mr Féiner.

    The presidental campaign was the naked exposure of his hubris for all to see. Jim Gavin (as i predicted) saying "one term" - a young enough man with no experience saying this? Straight out of Micheáls mouth - as per their agreement: leave the field clear for MM next time.

    He is beyond disgusting, no patriot just a horrible sleeveen.

    If youre his mother im sorry you raised such a cretin.



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