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Tenants not turning on heat

  • 04-12-2025 07:57AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭


    Hi, New landlord here renting 2 bed apartment adjacent to home house to a young couple since September. Had to pop into them there last week to check on issue with clogged sink and couldn't help but notice how cold it was there. It's a small 40sq metre apt just newly built this year with 3 energy efficient rads that have place heated up in 20 mins. Esb bills come to me and I can see from smart meter they only using average 2-3 units per day. October usage for month was 85 units and one of them works from home few days a week. They have two big blanket hoodies there on couch when I visited so it's not like they don't feel the cold.

    Know it's none of my business as to how often they turn on heat but can a landlord request that tenants somehow heat a place to help maintain it. They also rarely open blinds/curtains and am concerned that will have mould/ condensation issues.

    None of these are highlighted in contract from my behalf and it's something I will note for future tenants but wondering is there anything else I can do say on it. Thinking of saying we will turn on heat for few days over Xmas when they gone home and we will cover the electricity cost for that duration.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,894 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Energy is expensive and lots of people are struggling

    Unfortunately what you describe is not at all uncommon among Irish renters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭pjdarcy


    You could offer to reduce their rent by a hundred euros a month for the winter period in order to allow them to afford to heat the place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,632 ✭✭✭✭martingriff




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Tough one to call. A house is a living thing, it needs fresh air in every day with the windows opened and and the heating turned on. there has to be some compromise like a dehumidifier.

    Yeah unless you have your own house with wood fired stoved and source of fuel, Fuel is expensive. Its the same price per BTU for coal, gas or electricity. I am not against the Uddies and blankets but the damp air has to be cleared every day. They will get black mould. I lived in an apartment and had to open every day but I was over a chipper and had free heating. I still had to air the house every day and wipe condensation from the windows in the morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    The place is either part of the OPs pension fund or mortgaged. The bank manager doesnt read the weather report first thing in the morning. The world doesn't work that way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,757 ✭✭✭yagan


    Saving money for a deposit perhaps?



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,907 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Due to energy costs and no credits this year coupled with expensive storage heating, we have to make a decision everyday whether we can afford to put the heating on based on what the weather is going to be the next day. Some days we just have to wear an extra layer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,090 ✭✭✭Shelflife


    Its a tough position to be in, I had something similar. Tenant wouldnt use the central heating and there was also a small leak under the sink in the kitchen that she didnt tell me about ( even though I had sent a plumber twice for other small issues ).

    Net result was an extremely damp house and mould, its not good for the long term health of your property.

    If they are good tenants otherwise maybe put some money into their ESB account for Christmas and ask them to heat the house. It might be more beneficial to you in the long run.

    Are the ESB bills in your name ? If so you need to change that asap to the tenants name,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,829 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    A 40sqm 2bed is criminally small.

    I assume that’s a typo. As it Couldn’t possibly be that small, that’s only fit for a studio.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭Escapees


    An interesting proposal is to simply include electricity in the rental, up to a fair usage of say 75-100 quid a month on average, assuming the tenants are somewhat trustworthy. That way, there's an incentive for them to heat the place but not take the mick, like having the heating on and the windows open as you often see in places where heating is included! Btw, 2-3 units of electricity a day is incredibly low usage!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,365 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I've seen two bed houses that small for sale in Dublin alright, I'm sure there are plenty of small apartments that size too.

    https://www.daft.ie/for-sale/house-46-eugene-street-the-coombe-dublin-8/6443880



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,829 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    That terrace house is over 100 years old, built long before there were planning/building regulations. Those edrooms are painfully small. OP said his apartment is new, so it needs to be a better standard than Georgian tenements.

    No 2-beds in the last 30 years should be anything close to 40sqm. Only studio apartment's should be that small.
    Min size for a 2bed for the last 10 years or so was 73sqm. (was updated this year).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭pjdarcy


    As with most regulations in Ireland, no one is policing this stuff. What's to stop a builder from splitting a bedroom in two to convert a one bed apartment into a two bed apartment?

    Having said that, I agree that 40sqm is ridiculously small for a two bed. It must have two single sized bedrooms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,173 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    3 energy efficient rads

    I'm guessing from your discussion of the electricity bill that these are electric heaters, in which case they're no more or less efficient than any other electric heaters and by far the most expensive way of heating a room. I'm not surprised they're wary of turning them on.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    No I lived in a log cabin for a couple of years with wife, 32 M2. Its a kitchen/sitting room, 1 bedroom and shower/toilet. It was hell but we were between A and B.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭The Mulk


    Those modular built "granny flats" are 40m2 with two small bedrooms and electric heating.

    Could be something similar, I've worked in a few and heat up quickly, but you do need a level of heat constantly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Diddly Squat


    I was in this position op, the first tenant i ever had didn't understand we need the heat on and apartment aired every day, I went in after a month and the place was black with mould and the damp was unbelievable, I tried to explain what to do to her but it just didn't get through so I had to ask her to leave as the place would be destroyed if she had stayed. The next tenants I had it included all bills in the rent for the month and have never had an issue since then. Make sure all vents are clear and tell them open windows regularly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 676 ✭✭✭PixelCrafter


    Yeah, unless they're a heat pump based system 1kWh of electricity in = 1kWh of heat out.

    Night storage heaters just save a significant % as the price per kWh is usually around 50% less at on night rate.

    Unless it's a technological break through defying the laws of physics, any electric heater claiming to be 'energy efficient' is mostly working on marketing hype and lies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭Escapees


    Agree 100% - it's generally good marketing by companies that presumably is actually referring to the control electronics for their heater products, e.g. lots of timing features and more accurate digital temperature setting capability. Perhaps they may be shown to be ever so slightly more efficient compared to a traditional thermostat controlled heater with an overshoot and undershoot when switching on and off, but the heating element will always be pretty much 100% efficient.



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