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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,856 ✭✭✭Wolf359f




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,757 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    What the **** is he ranting about?

    He is a dirty dirty kunt.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,209 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


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    Has anyone produced evidence that there were drugs ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,291 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,921 ✭✭✭threeball


    Even if there were, all these strikes will do is incentivise cartels to force innocents to drive future boats or face having family executed. It takes them no time to adapt. Either way innocents end up dead.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,554 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    His vile rant against Ilhan Omar and Somalians in general should hopefully do away with the claim that he's not a racist. Unfortunately in the US it doesn't disqualify you for the office of President.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,285 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    The clown whoever he is does not even know what he is talking about lol. A 62mph per gallon standard like wtf. Mph is the speed a vehicle travels at clown not the emissions it produces.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    The cartels are indeed a low form of life but are they terrorists exactly? Name another foreign terrorist organization that depends for its existence on crowdfunding from the Western world. They need us to buy their product. We keep them going. That’s a business in my book, albeit a deplorable one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,541 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    The "War on Drugs" is really the War for drugs, which this administration and all the ones before it have failed at since back to Prohibition, which was the paleo form of drug wars. Drug use is the problem, all the bleating in Ireland about how awful the US is being to the Venezuelans (rightfully), if it's followed up by a trip to the pub and few bumps, well, foad as far as I am concerned. If the billions spent on preventing drug imports in the US and elsewhere had actually worked, would there be a need today? I think if people perceived their lives as better, they wouldn't need the drugs, but this is a complicated question. Plus, addiction therapy especially in Ireland and the US is primitive and ineffective. NA (AA) is a joke, in Ireland it's just more nonsensical religious blather pretending its therapeutic. Imagine if a small percentage of the 'war for drugs' money were spent on making better, one-on-one therapies available…

    Maybe Portugal has the right idea, liberalizing the treatment of addiction, though I don't know if it's "hardcore addicts" that form the bulk of the consumer space for drugs, or the casual weekenders. Drug production in South America, Middle east and elsewhere takes enormous toll on indigenous people, terrifying what gets done to them. No wonder so many want out.

    Now I've read the cartels are shifting from drugs, to gold with no doubt hellpit mines laden with mercury destroying people and the environment. Might be worse than drugs for the locals, though, the product itself isn't deadly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,589 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Carrying out kill orders on supposed drug boats whilst pardoning a kingpin drug dealer can only mean that it isn't about drugs - it's performative.

    Orders to kill people for performative reasons can only be illegal orders.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,240 ✭✭✭Field east


    Leroy, how can you say that the two in the water were no threat to the US ‘bombing squid’!!!!!! Maybe the part of the boat that was still floating may have guns starched away in some part of it. They could have ‘climbed back ‘ on board and start returning fire.??????
    OR maybe they had something strapped around their waste/across their backs that looked like guns and therefor constituted a threat to the bombers? We will have to wait until the ‘TRUTH’ comes out in the US ARmy report into what what exactly happened!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,240 ✭✭✭Field east


    Or that Trump ‘beats him to the wheelchair, walking stick or better still to the two wheel zimmer frame. If that is the case it will definately be ALL Biden’s fault for starters!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,401 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    The attack on the boat was effected by drones or air-launched missiles; either way, those carrying out the attack were not within range of small-arms fire from survivors, even if there were any reason to think that the survivors were capable of firing.

    None of the accounts/defences offered by the US forces or administration so far have included any suggestion that the survivors posed any kind of threat that could legitimise the second strike. If such a suggestion were remotely plausible, it would certainly be made. There's a difference between "waiting for the truth" and "casting about wildly for unevidenced and highly improbable speculations that would provide a colorable justification for what was done", and I think you're firmly in the latter territory here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,240 ✭✭✭Field east


    “——- that the order to strike boats is known to be unlawful” . The issue is not that a boat was shot up. The issue is that a group of people in the middle of an ocean were in a boat that was aledgly carrying drugs for sale in the US and in order to put a stop to that effort the US army decided to kill the boat operators and I suppose in case any of them survived to sink the boat so that they are ‘IMMEDIATELY ‘ out of a job. So the purpose of the exercise was achieved in that the drugs would not be going to the US. The boat happened to be ‘collateral damage’.
    By the way there is a VERY big difference , take the Vietnam war as an example, in a boatload of Viet soldiers coming up a river to shoot at a US position and a boatload of what is clearly only women and children going shopping or whatever . I would expect that any handbook would allow an army to shoot up the first boat but DEfINATELY not the second boat.
    the word ‘Ba’ath’ may not be mentioned in any handbook but generic descriptions would be given .

    Anyway what’s the difference between the ‘ shooting up’ action being taken re a group of people aledgly carrying drugs for sale be it on a boat, a tractor , a truck , on mules, on a plane,, walking along a boat, using bicycles , using electric bikes, air balloons, or whatever.
    The key issue is the nature of the action carried out, where it happened and who gave the orders. The ‘baot’ issue is only a deflection



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,576 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    The issue is not that a boat was shot up. The issue is that a group of people in the middle of an ocean were in a boat that was aledgly carrying drugs for sale in the US and in order to put a stop to that effort the US army decided to kill the boat operators and I suppose in case any of them survived to sink the boat so that they are ‘IMMEDIATELY ‘ out of a job. So the purpose of the exercise was achieved in that the drugs would not be going to the US. The boat happened to be ‘collateral damage’.

    So far, absolutely no evidence has been offered to show that those on the boat were involved in the drugs trade or that there were drugs on the boat.
    So far, no evidence has been shown that those on the boat were a danger to any other person and could not be directly intercepted by US personnel.
    To my knowledge, no evidence has been shown that the boat was even heading towards the USA.
    In addition, the US army did not make a decision to kill the boat operators. The military strike was an order from Hegseth and/or Trump.

    The purpose of the exercise was not to stop drugs entering the USA or to do anything other than to create a scenario where Trump, Hegseth and the others could falsely claim that they were doing something positive for America which would both provide a distraction from the Epstein files and would also be lapped up by their gullible MAGA supporters

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    The purpose of the strikes is to confirm Hegseth's RAMPANT heterosexuality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,401 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    By the way there is a VERY big difference , take the Vietnam war as an example, in a boatload of Viet soldiers coming up a river to shoot at a US position and a boatload of what is clearly only women and children going shopping or whatever . I would expect that any handbook would allow an army to shoot up the first boat but DEfINATELY not the second boat.

    But this wasn't eiether a boatload of soldiers engaged in an attack or a boatload of women and children going shopping. The allegation is that it was a boatload of civilians engaged in committing a crime — specifically, importing prohibited goods. Even if assume the allegation to be true, neither US law nor general principles of law recognised by most countries permits people who are committing a crime to be treated as if they were an invading army.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,291 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,356 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    With the political heat from the sinking of the boats increasing, the media have become interested in it again. From The Independent [as recently as 41 minutes back]…

    Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth asked a top U.S. Navy admiral to step down after the military chief expressed concern about the “murky” legality of the lethal strikes on alleged drug boats in the Caribbean, according to a report.

    The shock departure of Admiral Alvin Holsey one year into his tenure as head of U.S. Southern Command, which oversees military operations in the Caribbean, was announced by Hegseth on Oct.16.

    It followed “months of discord” between the pair that intensified in the summer when the Trump administration began bombing the alleged drug boats, according to the Wall Street Journal, citing two Pentagon officials and former officials.

    “You’re either on the team or you’re not,” Hegseth reportedly told 60-year-old Holsey during a meeting this year. “When you get an order, you move out fast and don’t ask questions.”

    The Independent has contacted the Pentagon for comment.

    It comes as Hegseth has been accused of “war crimes” over his handling of the deadly strikes, which have so far killed more than 80 people, as tensions between the U.S. and Venezuela intensify.

    The alleged tension between Hegseth and Holsey has been previously reported, which Pentagon spokesperson Sean Parnell dismissed as “fake news” at the time.

    “This is a total lie. Never happened. There was no hesitation or concerns about this mission,” Parnell said in a post on X.

    Holsey was reportedly concerned about the legality of the Caribbean operation and objected that parts of the mission “fell outside of his direct control,” as other military units involved fell under separate chains of command.

    Hegseth reportedly grew frustrated that Holsey was not moving quickly enough to tackle the drug traffickers in the Caribbean, CNN previously reported.

    According to the WSJ, Hegseth had lost confidence in Holsey before the Trump administration’s strikes on the vessels began.

    In early October, the tension came to a head during a “confrontation” at the Pentagon, according to the WSJ, citing former officials.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,338 ✭✭✭✭looksee




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,338 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Workman - I am wearing a bag over my head so no-one will see me fixing this name to this building.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,589 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    When Trump is gone, I sincerely hope the stink of shame follows these sycophants relentlessly, and that they are openly mocked by all until the grave.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,904 ✭✭✭aero2k


    The Monsanto paper on the safety of glyphosate has ben retracted: (also in Le Monde but behind a paywall)

    It's a big deal to retract a paper, but they couldn't ignore the shenanigans like ghostwriting etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,554 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    The amount of gaslighting will be insane once he's gone, the number of people who are going to try and convince everyone they were never on board with any of it will be off the charts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,088 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,240 ✭✭✭Field east


    I note that you used the word ‘allegation’



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,756 ✭✭✭yagan


    I've been thinking about the current orchestrations towards Venezuela and the only path that makes sense is that the US admin see it as only an oil play. I know, it's the most overtly obvious reason, but Trump fetishes Putin, constantly bypassing traditional European allies to cuddle up to him, and then on the other hand he slams India for buying Russian crude.

    The USA is the world's biggest exporter of refined oil at around 14%, India is second with close to 10%, but it is India's rapid rise in this space that would have the US refiners rattled. As far as I can see the middle east crude exports to India are about the same, but since 2022 India's rapid growth in refining capacity has been funded mostly by heavily discounted Russian crude. That's refining business undercutting the USA.

    I guess Trump sees Venezuela as being the most heavily discounted untapped supply in his backyard, it's of similar heavy crude to what the US already imports from Canada, so a "liberation" of that supply would be hugely profitable for US refiners. It would be a consolidation of Trumpismo in a similar manner to how the Russian oil oligarchs profited off Putin.

    Now there's little love for Maduro in the rest of the Americas where refugees of Chavismo have been scattered, but the recent extrajudicial murders of boat crews very much reignites alarm for all nations to the threat of Neo Monroeism. We may hear little of it in our European sphere but Trump is chilling the Americas with these murders in a similar way to how he's sown deep distrust amongst traditional European allies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,589 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Well now, this puts things into perspective....

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    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,569 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    There's something quite sickening about this glorified weekend warrior Hegseth telling an Admiral "You’re either on the team or you’re not…When you get an order, you move out fast and don’t ask questions."

    If you saw this kind of shite in a movie you'd think it too far fetched.

    There's a smack of Eric Cartmann off of it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,569 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Can't wait for the adults to be back in charge and change all of this nonsense back. I hope the fat orange twat is still alive to see it too.



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