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This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying V2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,424 ✭✭✭✭SteelyDanJalapeno


    I guess the kangoo is a much more practical option for non commercial use or small business, it's a pity the E-nv200s are only chademo as the little bit of extra range is nice



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Tango One


    Another high mileage Ev

    2021 leaf with over 300k on the clock and some battery issue for a little under 5k.

    https://www.donedeal.ie/damagedcars-for-sale/2021-nissan-leaf-notdamaged-drive-away/41090826



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,295 ✭✭✭...Ghost...




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,598 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Yes, a Kangoo is probably a lot more usable as a daily driver and range wouldn’t be far off the LDV even though it has a much smaller battery. It’s a pity the Kangoo doesn’t have 3 seats across the front like a Partner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,245 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Kangoo doesn't have fast charging and limited to just 3.3kW AC charging, so they are local cars ONLY and you would never want to do more than its range in a day. Whereas the LDV and indeed the eNV200 can go cross country no bother as long as you are not in a super hurry. Took my LDV on a 1000km trip o Kerry and Clare over 3 days in August, no bother

    Cronin's yard, arrived in the evening for a climb of Carrauntoohil first thing the next morning. The van was dead empty when I got there and charged up on the electric hookup over the 24h I was there back to fully charged

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    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,598 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    For sure the lack of DC charging etc. really limits the Kangoo. The LDV DC charging rate of 30 kW would be a bit of a pain though. It would take at least 90mins to go to 80% from empty. I assume you were getting around 200Km of range on your road trip from a full battery. What would it cost to do a camper conversion like yours ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,598 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Another 2019 LDV 80, even cheaper at €2250 asking. Exterior looks a little more battered but it has new tyres and is tested until May. An Post must have took an awful hammering on these unless they were leased. In 2020 these were €62K new.

    https://www.donedeal.ie/view/41099971

    Post edited by joe1303l on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,245 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    How long is a piece of string? You can do it as cheap as you want to. A lot of what I spent went into insulation and electrics and the captain swivel seats. None of those are required for an official conversion. Biggest bill for most people is the VRT

    And 30kW charging is a tad faster than 3kW 😂 But yeah, you gotta take it handy. I left first thing in the morning, stopped after an hour and a half for a charge and to make coffee and do some work. Rinse & repeat, next stop had a big fry up for breakfast / lunch and some more work, etc.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,598 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Fair point, anyone doing a flatpack kit for these for a diy install ? Most just seem to list Transits, Transporters etc. With an EV van as a base vehicle, is there a simple way to utilise the HV battery with an inverter for cooking/heating/fridge/lights ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,245 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Yes in my case I took out the 12V lead acid battery, so my only 12V battery is now the combined vehicle / leisure battery. Which is automatically topped up from the HV battery by the DC-DC converter if the contact is on. Beats the hell out of having a stinky diesel engine running!

    In my own setup this is only really needed if I want to run the heating for hours on end like in winter camping as my battery / solar PV setup is very substantial. In summer I can be off grid indefinitely without ever needing a top up

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,424 ✭✭✭✭SteelyDanJalapeno


    Do campsites charge a little extra for grabbing a full charge?

    Not sure if you're set up for using the hook up for the 12v when connected too at the sites, but if so does it reduce charge? Would only be worried about tripping the supply fuse



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,245 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I've only ever been to 1 campsite for 1 night, all my other overnights were wild camping. And they charged a fixed fee of €15 for the overnight including electric hookup. You won't trip the supply fuse, it will just give you a certain maximum amperage you can draw afaik. In my case I didn't check but I got a full charge, so it was likely about 10A (2.4kW)

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭Buffman


    Any I've seen are Leaseplan or Ayvens as they're rebranded to now. These would have been eligible for accelerated capital allowance for tax/accounting purposes so presumably they have their profit well made on them by now.

    I'd guess the main reason they're being moved on now is because they're out of the 5 year warranty.

    Any of the camping/caravan sites that use the blue 16A standard caravan plug should be safe enough up to 16Amps.

    I'm just amazed you don't have 2.4kW worth of solar panels on it so you can self granny charge! 🤣😂

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,245 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    But I can self granny charge 😁

    The camper is my toy. I wanted to do a conversion for a while, and I wanted to climb Carrauntoohil, but ultimately what my hobby is, is off and on grid battery electric systems. Insulation, plumbing, flooring, building, etc. are necessary jobs for that, but not my core interest

    In the short period I have had the van, I have already tried several different electrical setups and played with them. Pretty much tried everything I wanted to try. The only thing that would still be on my wish list is a leisure battery-less system with a bi-directional DC-DC that can discharge the HV battery into my appliances (or into my home / the grid as V2G), yet can charge the HV battery from solar PV and other sources. Entirely possible, but that bi-directional bit of hardware is too expensive for my liking

    So anyone interested in buying my camper, can have any sort of electrical system they want really

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,324 ✭✭✭zg3409


    What I have seen is a blue socket (parking spots at camp sites with power are more expensive per night than spots with no power) that could supply 16 amps but typically have a 6 amp breaker fitted right next to them. Thus if you trip it you can easily reset it. Due to 6 amp limit you cannot run an ordinary kettle nor an electric heater, but low power kettles, lights, TV etc is ok. Most normal.cinversions have a gas kettle. The reason for such limited supply is that you can have dozens of camper vans and caravans at peak summer and the ESB supply to the campsite would be easily overloaded if everyone put on kettles at once.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,507 ✭✭✭positron


    A cheap EV van stuffed full of repurposed Tesla/Leaf/other batteries and V2L - ready to kick into action when the dynamic pricing happens sounds really cool! :)

    A Bat Van, if you will, a superhero for EV owners.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,245 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Something like that. And remember the van's own HV battery is 56kWh of prime LiFePO4 cells from CATL, the world's biggest battery manufacturer

    The price of these vans has gone even more stupid since I bought mine. For the battery alone, 56kWh for €1700. That's just €30 / kWh with the rest of the van thrown in for free. Most people paid more for their 5kWh home solar battery which uses inferior battery cells LOL

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,654 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    1700 for the 56kwh battery and the van is free, or close to free.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,521 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Exactly. That was my logic when I bought mine.

    The 30kW limit is bad but not punitive. I did a 400km trip and it was about the same as doing it in a car limited to 50kW DC charging, the van actually holds that 30kW for the whole cycle almost whereas other earlier cars would drop below 50kW (and 30kW) very quickly.

    Not saying it doesn't take longer (it does) but it's much better than no DC at all. What other 200km range van can you buy for sub 2k that has any DC charging?

    I'm looking for an ENV200 Evalia at the moment and other than theres not any for sale at all, they would probably be over double that. And they are half the size of the LDV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,245 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Cheapest Evalia in the UK on Autotrader is 10 years old and has GBP8k asking price and has a miserable range with the 24kWh gross battery

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,521 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    That's what I'm saying, there's no comparison for the money. The Kangoo is a joke as there's no AC or DC fast charging and it's small. The ENV200 is smaller too.

    I'd echo the cheap paint comments, I'm already starting the preventative rust treatments (not that there is rust now, but when they took off the an post wrap it damaged the paint and is a risk)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,245 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    The €5k rough Zoe 52kWh is sold. Was tempted to buy it myself for my other daughter, but the timing wasn't quite right, only need a longer range EV for her in about 6 months time, probably selling my i3 at some stage before then too. Clean car, very high spec, low mileage and will be cheapest in the country if anyone interested

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,521 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Another probable cheap LDV EV80 van coming up to end of auction today.

    https://www.wilsonsauctions.com/auctions/vehicle-auction-2244/lots/193879



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,654 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Yes - mention it to me closer to the time? Am looking at a few at the moment. What year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,424 ✭✭✭✭SteelyDanJalapeno


    There was 2 in Wilson's last week, not sure if you saw, hammer price 3200 and 3400 I think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,521 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    They are too expensive. I was off work sick all last week so not doing any buying or noseying lol.

    These can and do regularly go for sub 2k. Youd buy one privately off DD for sub 3k so anyone paying 3.2-3.4k at auction needs their head examined. That difference would pay for the electrics I have in my cart to add (inverter, charge controller etc) for mine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Tango One




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,598 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Currently at €950 but plenty time to go. What’s going on with the passenger side, a previous repair that was primed but not painted and just re wrapped ? An Post might want to spend a few bob on driving lessons, nearly all of these I’ve seen have extensive panel damage particularly on the passenger side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,245 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    142 with 77k km. No DC fast charging though. So fine as a second or third family car that never needs to leave the greater Dublin area like it is for us 😂

    Mind the car is very efficient, and can charge at 7.4kW. So if you had time you could drive it from Dublin to Galway with a 45 minute stop and arrive empty 😁 That would be a lot quicker than an old Leaf with CHAdeMO fast charging!

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,654 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    45 mins would put 5-6kwhs in the battery? Would that be enough to tip onto Galway city from yours? Hints at ~12kms per kwh? That would make it very useful indeed, and well worth considering



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