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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,352 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    And if the military did do anything wrong under Hegseth, it's only as bad as what the Dems did or are doing or are capable of doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,567 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    And who are they to know what’s legal and what’s not 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,856 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    It's not limited to what they know, but also what they should know… common sense can prevail.

    "Obedience to an unlawful order does not necessarily result in criminal responsibility of the person obeying the order. The acts of the accused if done in obedience to an unlawful order are excused and carry no criminal responsibility unless the accused knew that the order was unlawful or unless the order was one which a person of ordinary common sense, under the circumstances, would know to be unlawful."

    So a solider being ordered to hold the line in a combat zone and take out everyone coming out of a building is a lawful order.
    However if women and children start coming out of the building, it's common sense not to open fire on them.
    The order is slightly vague, but in a combat situation it's understandable. It's a lawful order, he wasn't ordered to shoot civilians, however when he see's civilians coming out it's a pretty black and white situation not to fire on them.

    There's certainly grey areas in situations, but those members of congress were just reminding the military of the laws they operate under.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,537 ✭✭✭alias no.9




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Iecrawfc


    Will be fantastic to see him in the Hague in a few years when the Trump admin is not there to protect him, a good few of them will be tied up in legal cases, hopefully the dems grow a pair this time wgen cleaning up this time and go as hard at them as possible, they need to be ready to go the day after a new regine gets in to sweeep as many up and in detention as possuble



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,352 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    He won't be in the Hague.

    The US isn't a signatory of the Rome Statue and so doesn't recognize the authority of the ICC.

    That's for the Poors, not the Biggest and Bestest and Freeest country in the World.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,352 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Doing this at the same time as carrying out the expeditious murder of supposed narco-terrorists in the Caribbean is just incredible. Either story could be the event of a normal Presidents year or even term. Trump is doing this in the same month.

    He's dragging the reputation of the office of President in to the dirt like no one has ever done before him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭somenergy


    Does anyone think this criminal senile pile of shite posts this rightwing project 25 garbage sometimes late at night i for 1 think not, but will we ever know who is acting in its name?

    It should not be allowed if it is anyone else other than the creep.

    Of course excluding his cult like dumb as fcuk base here.

    Post edited by somenergy on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,541 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,720 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I can't definitively provide it, as it may not be the case.

    The linked reports (and the links within the reports) seem contradictory, which is understandable enough if the event's footage and audio has not been publicly released. Further, though not a definitive indicator, it would be pretty brazen of the DoD to show the congressional staffers something blatantly unlawful when they didn't have to. They could have simply just shown the first strike and they would have been none the wiser. Even if it was unlawful, they didn't seem to think it was.

    Put simply, it depends on the intent of the order to re-engage.

    A second strike to sink the boat if it looked for some reason that the first one wasn't going to sink it, at first glance legal, even if it killed survivors in the water.

    A second strike specifically to kill the survivors in the water, at first glance not legal, even if it sank a boat which apparently wasn't going to sink.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭somenergy


    Back in the felon's 1.0 the op in north Korea where the seal team where planting a listening device was disturbed by a fishing boat they where all killed to protect the team NYT again with the story

    I think Miller is behind the posts on lie social staring to reverse migration been mentioned this is a nazi administration



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,259 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Yet another example of the need to curtail presidential powers and make presidential orders subserviant to congress.

    The whole idea of executive orders needs to be done away with. Trump has just exposed their latent defect.

    Post edited by FishOnABike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,934 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Its also something Israel does routinely. Deliberately targeting the people that come to try to help the victims of the first attack. Barbarous behavior

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,401 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    But he was fine with everything else up to this point?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,343 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Pretty immature and self-absorbed to need to have a child with disabilities before being able to recognise what is right and decent. Kind of explains the acceptance of slurs and violence towards other minorities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,541 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    That's the important point. This nim was content to support horrendous policies. Insult his offspring, though, was off limits and allowed him to storm out in a huff.

    I remember Obama joking about playing poor basketball and the 'special olympics' in some interview. He caught himself later, and put out a formal apology for using the phrase. This was early on in his first term. https://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/2009/03/21/obamas-comment-about-special-olympics-sparks-debate/

    Class. Just like giving out meals on Thanksgiving, rather than posting insults to Americans. But, there are people in the US who would gladly vote for CFTrump again, and likely will vote for his anointed choices if CFTrump himself isn't on the ballot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,590 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I'd say that it was external pressure that caused him to speak up, not any crisis of conscious of his

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,541 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    If the second strike was to kill the civilians in the water (remember, no state of war exists with Venezuela so they're not combatants in any sense), it's massively illegal and, as the bsky shows, something America used to have a problem with:

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    I think the 'if it's to finish sinking the boat' is thin ice as well. I expect the rules of engagement to talk about exactly that somewhere. WaPo reporting:

    "

    The boat in the first strike was hit a total of four times, twice to kill the crew and twice more to sink it, four people familiar with the operation said.

    "

    (https://archive.ph/XaZrB)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,362 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Both are illegal in any country except the US. If its not illegal in the US it is purely to protect itself.

    But you know that it is completely immoral. It goes against everything the US is supposed to stand for. It denies any form of justice in the drive for vengeance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,216 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    And still people.defend him

    He absolutely has to make everything about himself



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The actions of the US government in relation to these attacks are sounding more like something Duterte or Bolsonaro would have been engaged in. In terms of the administration being brazen enough to show off criminal conduct, yes that absolutely tracks with the administration's existing behavior.

    Also this is rapidly falling outside of your previous claims they're following everything to the letter of the law. The likes of Kelly are sounding spot on, one illegal act of refusing to follow an order versus committing an illegal massacre. The former is ultimately coming across as far more ethical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,343 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Wouldn't it be nice if the family said 'we don't want you to attend, she should not have been on duty there anyway'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,212 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    lol. What transparent nonsense.

    …Also it's not the DoD, it's the Department of WAR!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,934 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Every single part of these operations were illegal, from start to finish. It just gets more and more disgusting the more we hear about it.

    The orders were illegal from the very beginning. There is no defence 'I was just following orders'

    These boats are not in combat with the US, they are not valid military targets. It is murder

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Trump must be happy nobody is talking about the Epstein files now with all these other issues



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,712 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    There's a formula the officials have to follow I think, thanking Trump for his "leadership" and his vision blah blah blah regardless of topic of the public message.

    It was there a bit in Trump's first term, but it is much worse now. It's another marker of their slide down into autocracy.

    I was fearing article was going to be an angry rant, attacking our politics and and our society, so you have to take the positives where you can find them.

    Our relationship with the US and it's govt. and representatives is kind of different to one we have with Russia (putting it mildly!).

    I admit it is headspinning how much damage he and his admin. have managed to do and how much they have changed in a few months (coming up a year I suppose) of power, which caused you to write that (comparing it to a "Putin's puff piece"!).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,590 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


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    More distractions upcoming....

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    The US has sided with Russia in 2 UN resolution votes on the matter as well.

    Which flies in the face of pt4 too you'd imagine also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,268 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    So Hegseth will be running this operation ? The man who had survivors gunned down in the water ? Expect many, many war crimes… maybe this will bring down the administration, things could get too ugly for the republicans



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,240 ✭✭✭Field east


    supposing Trump included Ireland, JE-S-S we would be in big trouble. Goody to earning any foreign exchange , no exports. No incoming tourists , etc, etc. All we could hope for would be a TACA moment. What a creation of an individual to do that to any country .



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