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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    Used to be three years for refugees before they could apply.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,928 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    That's what I said. Though I guess I didn't make it fully clear. I should have wrote "it was" instead of "it's".

    It is 5 years, but it was 3 years for asylum seekers. The 5 year rule is now being applied to asylum seekers as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    However, strictly speaking, it is refugees (those who have been granted asylum) who have to wait three years (now five) before applying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,347 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    pathetic!..… Looks like we'll have to get a couple of million more illegals before any real changes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 586 ✭✭✭Coolcormack1979


    rte still platforms the bleeding heart open borders shower on radio this morning.oh the poor sods coming from “warthorn “ places.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    Pretty much every country in Africa is either poverty stricken, war torn, in the midst of a coup, or on the verge of a coup.

    Does anyone really think that would change even if you implemented immediate debt forgiveness?

    Europe cannot take in everyone from Africa who rocks up here.

    And the much vaunted Migration Pact will solve nothing, given one of the key stakeholders that framed it are….NGOs!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,858 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    According to rte1 last night we're now inhospitable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    So AS is brought inline with the rest of the worlds rights to citizenship here and that is somehow Nigel Farage Racism 🤣

    You couldnt make it up. Its truly terrifying how wreckless some of our elected officials are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,788 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    After all the talk they didn't change much at all.

    Although you wouldn't think that with the carry on in RTE yesterday wheeling out every NGO they could find to tell us how horrible and cruel the government are.

    If the Brits push through the immigration reforms they want to be the norm over there from now on we will definitely be seen as the better option for AS and economic migrants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    They’ve bottled it

    Reforms aren’t nearly far reaching enough

    Relative to the UK we’ll still be a soft target. How the hell the government don’t grasp this is beyond me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,766 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I believe Ukrainian people are regarded as a separate category to asylum seekers, especially as Ukraine is a prospective EU member. They are here under EU rules (EU Temporary Protection Directive) and not under existing asylum rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭TokTik




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Tusla has said that it is responding to a 500% increase in unaccompanied minors coming to Ireland since 2022, which has placed significant pressure on the agency.

    The child and family agency said the demand is continuing to grow, resulting in significant strain on both its properties and workforce.

    Chief Executive Kate Duggan told the Oireachtas Committee on Children that 550 unaccompanied minors were either in care or accommodated by Tusla.

    "We are significantly challenged by the fact that we now have almost as many unaccompanied minors either accommodated or in care of Tusla as we do have children in our mainstream services," she said.

    Ms Duggan told the committee of severe pressure on the agency's services due to increase in general referrals and a significant level of vacancies in the workforce.

    She said that in the first nine months of this year, there were 78,000 referrals representing an increase of 11% on the same period last year.

    This is predicted to rise to 105,000 by the end of the year.

    Ms Duggan said the agency could not meet all needs and was challenged by workplace supply issues especially in social work and social care.

    The agency now has 1,730 social work staff and 1,524 social care staff but estimates that it needs 400 more frontline staff.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/1127/1546143-tusla/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭Thorny Queen


    People berate Tusla but do people not comprehend their workload they have to deal with. The needs in this country are huge now.

    We had child protection training and the facilitators said Tusla had 50,000 referrals from schools last year alone. Imagine trying to get through all of that alone and also trying to keep that amount of children safe and in care and trying to find foster families and liaise with them and try to take the children out on outings etc.

    It is the same in schools, teachers workload has increased so much because we have chronic needs in our system.

    There is nothing humane about Ireland 2025.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭Thorny Queen


    Also, I would question how many unaccompanied minors or 'children' are genuinely underage minors. I see students in post primary and there is not a hope in hell they are under 18. Creepy AF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    My belief is that they think, at some level, unrestrained immigration is good for the country. That's why last year they opted into agreements that prevent us from fully implementing a Danish approach.

    What they are saying about immigration and AS is a bit like what they were saying about housing a few years ago: expressing concern but no real intention to do anything.

    Post edited by Emblematic on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,788 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    O Callaghan played a blinder on the radio this morning.

    McCullagh seemed to think he would have it all his own way like he usually does when interviewing some hapless back bench TD but big Jim was having none of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Just watched it. Indeed.

    Ass handed to him territory.

    Its unbelievable that this os where we are, - that they try to portray this as a radical set of changes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,349 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-41749716.html

    It's not just RTE. There's a constant drumbeat from all the mainstream media outlets on keeping our borders open.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭Farmer2024


    Not responding to this post specifically but you really are the last of yesterday - for years I see you and a few others here arguing in favour of and defending the extremist immigration position adopted by the establishment.

    The people are moving towards sanity and finally slowly dragging the government with them - your argument is lost.

    Mod Edit: Warned for attacking the poster

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 277 ✭✭Will0483


    It's funny that parts of Sweden are now war-torn due to the arrival of all these Arabs and Africans. It's almost like they were the problem all along.

    Mod Edit: Warned for breach of forum charter

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,861 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    For those who may have missed it

    https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22562941/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,337 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    If this is true, then why are we putting refugees here in first place?

    Should we not be telling people not come here cause we be snowed in?

    Weird to tell people you can come to Ireland but you will have to leave next winter or else we all die

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,337 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    BTW im not denying climate change or that it might not happen. It could down line.

    Im just not sure by asking people to come here how that is going stop it or is he happy see refugees come here and suffer leaving again in next few years?

    Not much humanity about that is there?

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    thanks for that link! Brilliant. I have to say I hate the agressive style of interviewing adopted by most mainstream broadcasters now! Asking questions then interupting with snarky comments and put downs! Sarah McInerney is another example. A very good interviewer but far too agressive in her style.

    Everything Jim O Callaghan says makes sense, he is being 100% honest! Where does David McCullough think all these people will live……maybe on HIS street? Look at what Tusla said yesterday, they are simply overwhelmed, so are all our hospitals! Both my kids went through endless hoops and paperwork in trying to get into Canada and New Zealand, there was no way they could have brought me with them, why should people coming here be any different?

    The ironic thing about all this migration and "we need all these doctors and engineers and nurses" they are increasing our numbers in hospitals! So they are part of the problem. The migrants end up looking after all the numbers coming here through immigration! It's not just Irish that are clogging up A&E (our indigenous population has stagnated and birth rates are down). How can that be ignored?

    So glad to hear Jim O Callaghan making an effort to get a grasp on this, I fear it is too late, we are a ridiculously soft country and our need to be "liked" will be our downfall. Michael Martin has lead the way on this!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,569 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Don't worry we'll import even more foreign health professionals to cater for the overwhelming number of foreigners especially those who need extra social/health care.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭cal naughton


    It's like a giant Ponzi scheme. One that would even make Bernie Madoff blush!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    I think a lot of it is about combating wage inflation. A few years ago, the Central Bank had a report out that emphasized the need for immigrants to keep wages down. In terms of disposable income, Ireland has been fairly successful in keeping the figure down. We don't have the high disposable incomes that the Scandinavian countries and much of Western Europe suffer from when purchasing power is taken into account.

    An illustration of this would be food queues in cities.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭sekiro


    To be honest the only way the government, and anyone who supports the current situation, could realistically get away with it is by bringing a severe allegation against their opponents in an attempt to silence them.

    If I calmly and professionally came to you with a proposal that I wish to implement Government Policy X because it will boost the economy and help fill the job market you might reasonably ask what are the potential downsides to my proposed policy.

    If I then admitted that, to be honest, Government Policy X will result in people living in tents in the city center, many of Irelands hotel rooms being commandeered as part of my policy, severe strain on all public services, a sizable increase in people needing to be on benefits (in addition to our current numbers of benefits claimants) and an increase in specific serious crimes (in addition to those already being committed here)? Well, I would expect any normal person to tell me that the pros are not really outweighing the cons.

    So my only option to implement my harmful government policy is to find a way to demonize anyone who opposes it. Make people afraid to speak out. Make people think that the only course of action is to ignore what's going on and hope that they aren't personally on the receiving end of bad consequences.

    The accusation of Racism is absolutely necessary to break through most people's firewall of common sense. Ask any pro-immigration or open borders advocate what a realistic upper limit might be for Ireland on an annual basis and see if they'll even attempt to give you an answer.



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