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Pascal Donoghue to World Bank

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,125 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    yea not half. Must have been his public service sacrificial spirit ; which charity again did he donate his considerable salary to again?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    His "considerable salary" was less than he would have gotten had he stayed in his previous career. He took a huge hit to go into public service. Demanding TDs be poorly paid is just a desire for incredibly **** politicians.

    This attitude is everything that is wrong with politics in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,660 ✭✭✭Allinall


    How can you ask a question about tax free something or other, and then answer it yourself by claiming one rule … etc.

    If you haven’t a clue, best not comment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 249 ✭✭Terrier2023


    The childrens hospital fiasco, the bike shed, the RTE scandal i think he got the job for being soft on migration & spending on it. He was not a good guardian of our finances and its American companies tax loopholes that are making our economy good not any judgement on his part. he would have turned the taps off if he was any good and saved money not wasted it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,557 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Not even a little suss?

    https://x.com/caulmick/status/1992496096895971636?s=20

    April 2025: Minister Paschal Donohoe announces €141 million contribution to the World Bank's International Development Association(From: Department of Finance Published on: 24 April 2025 Last updated on: 30 April 2025)“The government’s contribution is a 33.5% increase compared to our previous commitment, which demonstrates Ireland’s ongoing support for multilateral solutions to the world’s problems with a particular focus on those living in the poorest countries.” - Paschal Donohoe



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,599 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    No.

    If you think the World Bank is giving away the second most important position in the organisation on the back of bribes, then they would have sold themselves pretty cheap here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    Might as well pin Maddie McCann on him while we're at it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭SpoonyMcSpoon


    I don’t like FG or any Irish political party to be honest and I do feel that many national level politicians do not work for the wider public more than they work for their own political party and their constituents. In that context, Pascal did well for his FG party and his constituents.

    I don’t begrudge him for the job he has done so much as I think that the system in Ireland needs grassroots reform and elements of Swiss direct democracy.

    That is not the topic of this thread, so I just want to add that if anything I respect Pascal for elevating himself above the typical ambition-less civil service drones, especially at his age and stage of his career where he could just ride off into the sunset underneath the radar and live comfortably anyway. I do not genuinely think he is a bad man, he seems like one of the more likeable politicians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,125 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    extremely debatable- he’s some of limited ability and vision. At best mid level material- the taxpayer funded political platform was a nice little launchpad for him- do you think the World bank are hiring pascal and his lisp for his amazing skills- Are they fcuk. He’s a great little door opener and network for them. Rotten to the core - everything that’s “wrong with Irish politics “ is rats like Donohoe



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,556 ✭✭✭✭Strumms



    basically FG should be made foot the entire cost of the by-election.

    also if you walk out on your responsibility by choice you should be precluded from running for any and every sort of public office in the state again. You can’t be trusted. He gave a commitment to his constituents and the state and quickly reneged on it when a more lucrative opportunity presented itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,410 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Warning to anyone thinking of entering politics.

    After serving for 20 years you can expect to be called names and attacked for daring to change careers.

    Post edited by elperello on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,599 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Bitter in here tonight!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    My first thought like many others, jumping from the sinking ship.

    In my mind not really fair on those who elected him in his constituency to jump only a year into a five year stint but I suppose, what would a simple serf like me know ? 🤷🏻



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,660 ✭✭✭Allinall




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,531 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Not an impossible conclusion. There does seem to be a problem with the higher levels of FG according to Shane Ross in the Sindo. He had one former FG minister claiming the party was led by donkeys. The Presidential Election fiasco can't have helped with grassroots confidence in the FG leadership.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭techman1


    , talking about how running for election and only staying for 1 year of a possible 5 years is a sign of his commitment!

    The only reason he ran again for the seat even though he had no intention of staying full term was to increase his prospects in the prestige jobs market. He only got the world bank job because he was a current minister for finance and chair of euro group. He would never have got that job as a former minister with no power. Look at leo varadker sure he is still looking for a prestige position.

    Pearce Doherty made the point that he couldn't understand why pascal donohue brought in such a bad budget for workers, he said even politically for pascal donohue himself it didn't make sense. However he said Donohue had already checked out he didn't care about getting re elected



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,300 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    I am not a fan of Paschal and someone said he delivered for his constituents, that is debatable, maybe he delivered for some of his more affable constituents but not for the less affable. Just look at some of the areas in the North Inner city that he was representing. I understand people electing him because he is a senior minister and we see that in every constituency, as people think "Oh he is a Senior Minister, they will be able to get things done for the constituency", just look at Harris and McEntee. All politicians that are in parties like FF, FG and SF it is always Party above all else, then family and crony's and then comes country and then constituency. Throw the plebs a few crumbs around election time and get elected.

    In saying that he was a steady hand and did give people confidence in him in the roles that he was doing. Was he ambitious in those roles, in terms of driving the country, probably not, but then we as country are conservative and I think we prefer just a steady hand and it is that steady hand that has probably landed him the job with the world bank. I can understand why some people are angry towards him but lets face it most people if offered what he was offered they would be gone in a flash, I know I would, in fact if a company came in and offered a significant promotion and pay rise I would be handing in my notice to my current employer as fast as I could.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,609 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    As regards PD 'jumping ship' there's no tradition in Ireland of elected politicians resigning their seat when they join or form a new party. There are numerous examples but I'm thinking of people like Stephen Donnelly, elected as an Independent in 2011, helped form the Soc. Dems in 2015, elected as a SD TD in 2016, left them to become an Indo again and joined FF in 2017. He was re-elected in 2020 but lost his seat in 2024.

    There's RTE's own George Lee, elected in a byelection for FG on the first count (53% of 1st prefs) in 2009 but resigned to return to RTE in 2010. If he'd stayed in politics he might be now our new MoF instead of reporting from Rio.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,806 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    A step backwards for a leap forwards I would say.

    You think he took a government role to somehow help the nation and not himself?

    You placate the lobbyists, you get rewarded.

    He’s just another leech.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,583 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    What specific network is Paschal going to open up for the World Bank? The Drumcondra mafia? The U.15s coaches WhatsApp group for Na Fianna GAA club?

    The World Bank don't need Paschal or anyone to get access to Finance ministers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    Making fun of someone for a speech impediment, no matter how minor, just cheapens the rest of your argument, regardless of how much merit it deserves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,609 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    "Drumcondra mafia"

    There hasn't been a mafia in Drumcondra since Bertie's time, Paschal's base area is Phibsborough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Fiscal Council suggesting Paschal's budgets were a bit of a mockery.

    Government 'budgeting like there's no tomorrow' - Ifac

    Government 'budgeting like there's no tomorrow'

    It says there are no budgetary forecasts beyond 2026 and the Government has yet to submit a revised medium-term fiscal plan to the European Commission.

    The Irish Fiscal Advisory Council says the share of corporation tax which is being saved will drop from 32% this year to 15% in 2026.

    The watchdog warns that spending is set to grow by over 11% in 2025 which it described as "much faster" than was sustainable.

    It also said that expenditure was rising quicker than tax revenue, leading to an underlying deficit of €7 billion this year and deteriorating to €14 billion next year, when volatile corporation tax receipts are excluded.

    The watchdog is also highly critical of the Government's track record on adhering to expenditure limits announced on Budget Day. The Fiscal Council said: "Spending forecasts have been repeatedly revised up."

    It said expenditure in 2025 will be €12.5 billion more than the €96.6 billion set out in the Budget in 2024.

    It said the previous government published limits on growth in spending to 5.1% for this year and 6.5% for next year.

    But spending is now expected to be 8.6% and 7.7% respectively.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,410 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Fiscal Council suggesting Paschal's budgets were a bit of a mockery.

    That's not what they are saying at all

    What people should do is read what they did say and put it against the backdrop of the opposition and lobby groups calling for more expenditure on practically every budgetary spending line.

    The FAC fulfills an important role but ultimately it's the Government's responsibility to make budgetary policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    When you set a budget, you should at least try to keep within it's spending limits. Otherwise the budget process is meaningless.

    Expenditure in 2025 will be €12.5 billion more than the €96.6 billion set out in the Budget in 2024.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 664 ✭✭✭Marcos


    No, of course not. There's no reason why he gave away a 33% rise in our payments to the World Bank just months before he jumped ship to a job with the World Bank. A nice €600,000 grand salary and expenses. IIRC doesn't the likes of the World Bank employees get their salary tax free and special diplomatic passports? Correlation does not equal causation as so many on here like to say. But what would people say if this was Bertie in the Celtic Tiger era? Would they be so sanguine, or would they think that's as dodgy as Hell? I know what I think.

    As for looking after his constituents? I don't think that's the view in his constituency, well unless you're the likes of Michael Stone who was appointed to head the Land Development Agency and the chair of the North east Inner City Taskforce. What's that you say, the same Michael Stone who provided him unreported donations in the form of services reported to SIPO for being in possible breach of the Electoral Services Act before and after the 2016 election, and also the 2020 election? I'm sure that's only coincidence.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 614 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    Either he did a competent job, or he did not; a good job is too subjective.

    I am always suspicious of any commentator or journalist who links his future salary at the World Bank to his work as a minister; it's irrelevant, but it's used to set a certain narrative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,344 ✭✭✭creedp


    The budgetary process is just another chapter of the great political fiction tome including such gems as the election manifesto and the wonderful programme for Govt.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 614 ✭✭✭Madeoface


    Yeah but no.

    IFAC is a quango of ivory Tower academics put in there specifically to criticise the Government to satisfy the EU. They can shite on as much as they like but nobody in government will pay heed. The well paid dismal scientists in there know that too and play along. Well paid goons that offer little except the veneer of one alternative.... Don't spend.

    There is a budget, technically called the estimates process. The first one is in October, cemented in December by the revised estimates process REV, but which changes with an Frev, a further revised estimates volume within the year that the original REV was for.

    A budget for a particular year will make an estimate for the year after it. For example Budget 2019 (made in October 2018) will have an estimate for 2020.

    To compare the budget sums made in October 2018 (Budget 2019) for the predicted expenditure in 2020 to the actual outturn of 2020, as ifac tends to do, is somewhat disingenuous.

    To take that year as an example, there was no concept of Covid in the budget in 2019 when it was written in October 2018 but its in the FREV for 2020, and the outturn for 2020. Is it still correct to say that the Government was €20 billion out on its predicted spend in October 2018? Yes. And IFAC will state such obvious facts. But there was all that Covid lock down 'stuff' that had to be paid for.

    The bump in 2025 largesse could be population growth, Ukraine or ipas expenditure or the one offs to protect 'the most vulnerable' from inflation. I'm not defending it, I'm sure lots of the increase was unjustified. But IFAC would be better served explaining why and what they would do differently.... And not the singularity of don't spend.



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