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National Development Plan (2025-2034)

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,964 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    List to be published on Tuesday, November 25

    https://www.independent.ie/regionals/tipperary/news/great-news-as-tipperary-bypass-project-back-on-track/a1314346331.html

    Expect plenty of leaks like this one



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,964 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Interesting quote from Ken Spratt, secretary general at Department of Transport at the PAC last week

    We also have 22 roads projects over €200 million, which will either be in construction or delivered between now and 2030. When it comes to the prioritisation of that, we spend a lot of time trying to figure out with our Ministers where is the biggest bang for buck service delivery.

    https://www.kildarestreet.com/committees/?id=2025-11-13a.22



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    If the development of the Thurles bypass is introduced then a number of others, previously not prioritised, could also be. And there's a plethora of possibilities. Interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭cartoncowboy


    Frankie Feighan was on local Sligo Radio yesterday dropping more hints. A surprise mention from him was the N15 out of Sligo to the Donegal border. Previously progressed and then dropped when the crash happened, could it be resurrected?

    He calls out the N4 Mullingar-Rooskey, N17 Collooney Co Sligo, to Knock Airport, Garavogue Bridge in Sligo Town and the N15

    Speculation increasing that announcements will be made on local projects | OceanFM



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,964 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Confirmation by TII at Oireachtas committee that what’s coming next week is a firm 5 year funding plan for specific projects.

    It’s what they’ve been looking for years and it’s a major boost to the road programme that annual funding is now 5 year funding.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,964 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    All transport capital investment. Will be published on Tuesday next.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭Perfidious Cretin


    Hopefully they scrounge together a few bob to properly link up the adare bypass with the motorway instead of the hall arsed way they're doing it now..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭thejuggler


    Hopefully the Cork-Limerick motorway will get concrete funding. Same with the Northern Distributer Road. Both badly needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,300 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Both of these were already going ahead.

    M20 has completed design and will be submitted for planning soon. Funding was already earmarked for this road in previous development plans.

    Cork Northern Distributor is not under the national roads budget (it’s most likely going to be classified as a regional road), but it is funded, and is in the final design phase following public consultations earlier this year. I expect quite a bit of planning pushback on this one, especially as the western end will generate concerns for the loss of the nice view from some people’s expensive houses wetland ecology, but I expect it’ll still go through.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 roc77


    Any word on Project list release?

    Nothing on TII or gov.ie.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,964 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭Limerick74


    Tommorow after the cabinet meeting is the thinking



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,964 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,300 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    That’s the wrong ratio, especially with Metro, DART+ and CACR all happening during the period of this plan. It’s also pretty disappointing to see knowledgeable people here rejoicing that the previous policy is gone just because it was a Green minister who put it in place. 2:1, or rather 66%/33% was the correct proportion. Nationally, our road network is in pretty good shape after the 1990-2010 period - there’s still work to be done, but the back was broken on it a long time ago- but our Public Transport infrastructure didn’t see the same level of improvements. A 2:1 split was, and still is, needed to balance the system. Without it, we’re just going to cripple our urban and suburban road networks with congestion in future.

    The only problem I had with the previous 2:1 policy is that Finance didn’t increase the overall transport budget to allow both roads and PT to proceed at their required absolute levels of funding. Effectively, the plan was undermined by funding in a way that pitted PT and roads against each other in yet another stupid culture war as if they weren’t intrinsically linked. This move is the same kind of political opportunism that will hamstring our transport network.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭Westernview


    100%. A new 1:1 ratio is nothing to celebrate. Unless you want to celebrate more future road congestion.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Wow, isn't it crazy that posters in the Roads forum are happy that we're actually going to plan to build badly needed roads. Shock horror!

    It won't be at the expense of PT though. The reality is that the major PT projects are planned and basically through the planning process with some already out to tender.

    There is a long list of bypasses and road improvement schemes that were canned by Ryan that will now moved forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    'Moving plans forward' is the cheap bit though, how you achieve 1:1 with ML/D+/CACR and 5 cities worth of Busconnects ready/nearly ready to go to construction, let alone any planning to upgrade the national rail network and keep the local-link services going and expanding, vs a small selection of roads projects ready to go and a backlog of planned roads I don't know.

    I'd expect you'll see an absolute feast of planned roads in the next 5 years, an absolute politicians dream, and without a significant funding boost any PT planning will be absolutely shafted, that will then be followed by the next government having an absolute glut of roads projects that can't all be funded to construction any time soon

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,300 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    I’m more shocked that people don’t understand the difference between ratios and absolute quantities, to be honest.

    If the total transport budget increased by 33% or more, then I’d be fine with a 1:1 ratio - that would mean no change to the PT spend, but an increase in Roads spend too. Everyone happy.

    The problem is that fixing the ratio like this doesn’t address the cost of what’s actually needed right now, nor does it account for the inevitable change of budgets later. The medium term PT pipeline is so expensive that, if it’s properly funded, this kind of fixed share will throw more over to roads than is actually needed - what’s the mechanism for dealing with this? Or (more likely), if a smaller budget is forced to be split 50/50, then the urgently needed PT projects will be slowed down in favour of non-urgent road construction.

    And there’s a lot of spending needed for PT in this plan - we’ve about €20 billion of rail projects alone (MetroLink, CACR, DART+, Luas Finglas), without even looking at BusConnects, new ticketing, LocalLink, EV bus fleets, national rail electrification, cycleways and schools transport. Can anyone show me a list of credible national roads investments that come to €20 billion to match that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 orb123


    The N11-M11 Junction 4 to Junction 14 Improvement Scheme is now designated for construction..

    No update on that project since 2022 as it appeared to have been quietly dropped and replaced with the Bus Priority "Interim" Scheme, so positive it's mentioned again. Looks like they got to the end of phase 2 but phase 3 never happened due to lack of funding..

    Of course what Simon Harris fails to mention that he himself has caused delays to the bus priority scheme by pandering to local nimbies…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 thisismyspecialinterest


    Any idea what time the full report will be released?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    I wish you were right but I do fear you could be very wrong here. I already see PT projects backing up.

    I have been told of a reasonably large number of already-approved Public and Sustainable infrastructure projects that have been told in the last few weeks that they have no funding. The project teams have been told to get in a queue and beg for funding again unfortunately at which point they will be judged and dealt with one by one as the money frees up. It's still all very much hearsay, no details or announcements, and I can't tell you who I'm hearing this from but lit's a political rather than technical source. So yes it is likely that this announcement is very much at the expense of PT unfortunately.

    Edit: it's very frustrating, the 2:1 ratio was stupid because we didn't have enough sustainable projects in the pipeline and roads projects ground to a halt, and now we're doing the exact opposite change, which will also have the same effect on sustainable transport projects, all just to get a few votes by announcing "bypasses for all" and to placate a small few facebook Karens who believe that cycle lanes are the devil.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Metrolink will be funded over 30 years. It's not €10-12bn over the next 5 years. So we won't be spending €20bn on PT projects over the next 5 years.

    And the other projects you list won't bring it up to this level either.

    However money has already been allocated for a lot of these projects. Two Dart+ projects are out to tender. BusConnects contracts have been awarded. The linked article reported €1bn for CACR.

    As for roads, €1bn for the M20, €500m for Foynes to Limerick, €600m for the Galway ring road, €400 for Oilgate to Rosslare, €600m for the N24 upgrade.

    There's €3bn straight away before talking about things like the the Newcastle West and Rathkeale bypasses, the N11 upgrade, the missing N22 section, Cork Northern Ring road and many other projects that will be reactivated.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,964 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    https://assets.gov.ie/static/documents/df0ce05f/NDP_Review_2025_Sectoral_Investment_Plan_for_Transport.pdf

    Every project currently in advanced planning has a confirmed construction date between now and 2030.

    Every project that Ryan took aim at is also back in there (Cork North Ring, Waterford-Glenmore, Waterford-Cahir, the N2 and N11 approaches to Dublin)

    New projects:

    N15 Sligo to County Boundary

    N22 Macroom to Ovens

    Secondary bypass programme including Athlone, Claregalway, Thurles and Ballina (Boxer, Lowry & Grealish/Canney)



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,964 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Major roads programme until 2030

    N13/N14/N15 Donegal TEN-T (procurement by 2027, commence by 2028)

    N2 Ardee-South of Castleblayney (procurement by 2030, commence thereafter)

    N2 Clontibret-Border (procurement by 2029, commence by 2030)

    N2 Slane bypass (procurement by 2027, commence by 2028)

    N3 Virginia bypass (procurement by 2028, commence by 2029)

    N4 Carrick on Shannon bypass (procurement by 2027, commence by 2028)

    M4 Maynooth to Leixlip (procurement by 2029, commence by 2030)

    N4 Mulligar-Longford (procurement by 2030, commence after 2030)

    N4 Ballaghadereen-Scramoge (2027 completion)

    M6 Galway City Ring Road (procurement by 2028, commence by 2029)

    N11/N25 Oilgate to Rosslare (procurement by 2029, commence by 2030)

    N17 Knock to Cllooney (procurement by 2029, commence after 2030)

    M20 Cork-Limerick (procurement by 2029, commence after 2030)

    N21 Abbeyfeale bypass (procurement by 2029, commence y 2030)

    M21 Adare-Foynes (procurement by 2027)

    N21 Newcastlewest relief road (procurement by 2028, commence by 2029)

    N22 Farranfore-Killarney (procurement by 2029, commence by 2030)

    N24 Cahir-Limerick Junction (procurement by 2029, commence after 2030)

    N25 Midleton-Youghal (procurement by 2029, commence by 2030)

    M28 Cork-Ringaskiddy (2028 completion)



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,964 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Major roads pipeline (advanced for future construction)

    N2 Rath Roundabout-Kilmoon Cross

    N11 J4-J14

    N15 Sligo-County Boundary

    N22 Macroom-Ovens

    N24 Waterford-Cahir

    N25 Carrigtwohill-Midleton

    N25 Waterford-Glenmore

    N52 Tullamore-Kilbeggan

    N59 Clifden-Maam Cross

    Bypass programme (Athlone, Thurles, Claregalway, Ballina)

    Cork North Ring Road

    Cork South Ring Road TEN-T upgrade

    N19 Shannon Airport Access Road



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Marno, I appreciate that this is the roads forum and this thread is doing its job just fine, but it might be worthwhile having a similar thread in the overall infrastructure forum too?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,964 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Great idea.

    Done: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058429009/national-development-plan-sectoral-investment-for-transport-2026-2030/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,300 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    I got to €8-10 billion by counting pretty much everything else too: The ones you mention are the only projects close to the billion euro range (I do hope N6 is not built - but I counted the same amount on a real outer bypass and a proper suburban road network for Galway). After that there’s a lot of really good projects that will “only” come in at 200-400 million on lower-trafficked primaries, then most of the secondary network is in the under €200 M range. N20 aside, We have a pretty good road network; we’re really only tidying up and filling in the gaps now.

    Meanwhile, DART+ is about 3 billion. CACR is 2 billion. both of those are in the term of this NDP. MetroLink costs are heavily front-loaded into the first ten years, so that spending will fall within the NDP.

    But everything is funded over 30 years: that’s how governments work. The problem is that each year there’s going to be a limit on how much can be borrowed for transport. Right now, we’re flush, so we can afford to spend big, but I really dislike the idea of any kind of artificial 1:1 rule - it favours “roads” over all other transport needs. As a general principle, I would have opposed the old 2:1 except that in that particular case it reflected the actual need for investments (and it was 1x “roads” versus 2x “every other type of project”). I really don’t see the need for 1:1 matching with PT and roads; the budget should be allocated based on need and benefit.

    But don’t think I’m against more road investment. I’m not. I think this is great news. I just worry that a hard “1:1” rule will cause poor allocation of funds in future.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    Let's not forget that a decent number of smaller/minor 'roads' projects were and are sneaking in under the 'Active Travel' funding bracket because the requirements for that are not well defined enough or strict enough.

    I dont think these 'ratio' targets make any sense, if they have done their sums correctly and PT is getting 'a little more' than roads, then either you're going to see some absolutely harebrained road schemes getting dusted off to achieve parity with the needed PT funding, or, more likely, roads will take the air out of any sustainable development planning for the duration and we will be back to square 1 on PT, with some shinier rolling stock and Dublin and Cork commuting mostly sorted with the rest of the country missing out on critically needed improvements.

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