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Virgin Media Launch 5Gb Broadband

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭digiman


    Your right they have done, I’m getting 5.46Gbps down and 230Mbps up and it was 541Mbps on Nov 7th, so they changed it sometime after that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,527 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I hate that upload speeds are so stingy in this country. But this is taking the mick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭Confused11811


    The change happened in and around the 13th of November. That evening my real world uploads where reduced to 1/3rd of what they where the previous days.

    Last week a friend had service staff out to fix what he thought at the time was just an isolated issue affecting his upload speeds. After testing all, the installation was found to be technically fine but the previous upload speeds could not be achieved.

    The service engineer made a call to his supervisor to see if there was an issue elsewhere. The supervisor returned the call to service engineer. The converstaion was not meant to be overheard by the customer but he picked up enough of it to figure out that a decision was made by Virgin management to reduce the upload for fibre customers to 4-5% of downloads speeds. The supervisor advised the engineer to leave the job, mark it as complete and to query any further call-out's for upload speed problems. Over the weekend we contacted other friends and work colleagues to confirm if they had the same issue and they all did.

    Today another friends who happens to works in the industry got word that the 4%-5% is going to be normal and things won't change as it's within the limits of the T&C's set out by Virgin.

    Regardless of T&C's this upload speed reduction is a material change in what we all where recieving when we first signed up.

    I've given Virgin notice to restore the service I had or reduce the cost I pay or an offical complaint will be lodged to Commission for Communications Regulation. If the service I'm recieving now had of been the what I recieved when I first signed up just 4 months ago I would have cancelled within the cooling off period.

    As far as I'm concerned Virgin have in effect mis-sold all fibre package by reducing the speeds.To do this to thier flagship broadband service that's less than one year old is a complete joke and a failure of the service.

    I'd suggest everyone here make an offical complaint to Virgin on the basis the product was mis-sold, the service is not now what we recieved during the cool off period.

    You can make a complaint here - https://www.virginmedia.ie/customer-support/code-of-practice/ They must supply you with a complaint refrence number and offer a solution within 10 days. After which you can raise the issue with comreg here comreg.ie/advice-information/consumer-care/#1



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭tazzzZ


    Thanks @Confused11811 I am going to do exactly that. I left my old service on the sole basis of the 500Mb upload. It's very clearly not provisioning at that advertised speed anymore and even if we are reaching their claimed minimum speeds surely it also has to be possible to achieve the maximum speed.

    When I contacted them last week they said they were aware of the issue and that they were looking into a provisioning issue with some connections. So essentially they acknowledged it as an issue at that point. I'll be quickly lodging a complaint with the CCPC thereafter. Basically they seen no other isp was offering 500mb upload and turned it down to match the competition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭Thor


    Wow this is interesting.

    Mine does seem to be slower.

    Well this will be an easy fight. I specifically asked and ordered because of the upload.

    Changing it without notice and approval.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭Thor


    Need to kick up a stink on social media.

    Changing product after the fact is already bad enough and rarely done, but to try and sneak it through without informing customers - hoping they wouldn't notice. That should involve massive fines.

    Begs the question what other stuff has VM tired to get through without noticing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,527 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I caught them throttling Netflix about 10 years ago, there was a big thread on here about it at the time. They lost my trust at that point and I cancelled a few months later.

    SIRO dropped their upload speed from 200 to 100 but at least kept it for existing subscribers.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 26,945 CMod ✭✭✭✭Spear


    They weren't throttling it exactly. They allowed their peering to be congested, something they knew 6 months in advance was going to happen and ignored requests for months from their peers to augment it. They then had their reps on here putting up a smokescreen asking for things like traceroutes even though they knew fine well what the issue was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭Confused11811


    There's a thread on Reddit, I don't do social media so if you guys do social media please post details there. I'm contacting The Irish Time Tech journalist Ciara O'Brien. I suggest we all do similar stuff and spread the word.

    I also intend to contact my local TD's and ask for a PQ to be asked to the Minister for Communications. We have been shafted but also every customer who uses Virgin's network, this included customers on previous packages and those on Sky, Eir etc.

    I initially thought it was an issue from the bad weather the week it all started and if it was and Virgin held thier hands up and said so I'd be fine as long as an ETA was given but this is totally different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭tazzzZ


    I rang up today as a "new customer" enquiring about the 5gb package and they still says it's a 500Mb upload. I can't find it in writing anywhere though. I'll have to look at my contract again perhaps.

    I literally left the SIRO 1gb-200mb package with my previous provider solely based off the upload speed. I'd never have changed it for 200-250mb.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭feelings


    How many of the 5Gb users were tearing the ar*e out of the 500mb upload though? surely only a very small % ?

    I cannot find any reference to upload speeds on the VM website, other than 250/500mb legacy products in the T&Cs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭Boards_Member


    Just restarted my equipment here..did a speed test and sadly,im joining you lads in the 200Mb upSpeeds selective group !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭Confused11811


    I did similar first thing this morning but gave another address nearby which has just 2Gig broadband in. I told them I was moving into the area and wanted to see what was the best package availible. I was told I'd get 10% up 200mb's on the 2Gig. The address I gave was my parents and the broadband upload at that house is currently 4-5%, I tested it before making the call. So it's fair to say that 10% is the norm and it's what sales teams advertise when asked so the T&C are BS. BTW I recorded that conversation on my phone as evidence should it be needed.

    Strangely afterwards I phoned customer service on 1908 and recieved an automated response that the service in my area is down and under repair with an ETA of 13:00. I'm working from home and I can tell you my broadband is working, albeit with with the degraded service.

    So maybe at 13:00 thing will go back to normal, maybe there was an issue caused by the bad weather and Virgin had no intention of fixing it hoping it would go unnoticed and people start kicking up a fuss.

    Or maybe it became clear that I and others who noticed the downgrade to service and complained had evidence of the 10% being the norm and they've had to reverse the decision to downgrade.

    Given what my friend in the industry was told I'd say this is the case, but i'm getting ahead of myself. I suppose thing will come clearer at 13:00 if normal service resumes I don't really care.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,150 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    I'm not justifying it, but could there have been some abuse of the upload speeds by a very small number of customers? Heavy uploaders are probably the type of customer that an ISP doesn't want unfortunately.

    With Eir, the upload speed is 250Mbps on the top package. Virgin may have determined that most people won't notice (or care) and even if they do, they are unlikely to move because there's no alternative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭Confused11811


    The 500mb up is just an ideal/testing figure when connected to speedtest servers. Real world uploads are different again. The servers and service I upload to are throttled. If it was P2P protocols, FTP, Usenet server or uploading to work servers via VPN the max I could achieve was 64mb. I was happy enough with that, but since the change my ideal testing uploads to the likes of speedtest are 45% of what they where and my real world uploads are worse still closer to 1/3.

    I have legitimate uses for the servers and services I upload too, they where already throttled but now it's worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭Thor


    Rang their sales.

    Their still advertising it as 500mb upload speed. Clearly someone made this decision in a vacuum and most of the company, including sales and marketing have no idea.

    Definitely needs a bigger push to make sure it's reversed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭tazzzZ


    Yea I seen some people on reddit post their online chat log saying they are aware of the issue and people will be compensated! I'll believe that when I see it! I logged a complaint with CCPC for the craic anyway just to see where it goes.

    My guess is it will need a lot of people to complain to the right people to get them to either reverse it or give people a chance to get out of their contract.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 SizzleQuote


    Got a call from their technician stating that expected speeds are now 250Mbit and cancelling the visit.

    Not happy. Only reason I got this plan was due to the Upload speed.

    How can we make some noise? If this gets some media coverage (probably not going to happen from Virgin Media 🤣) that would be great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,150 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    It’s not right, but it’s not of the scale where it would get media attention in my opinion.

    Very odd business decision. They should have enforced this for new contracts only.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭Boards_Member


    Been told an engineer will be calling to my premise…not sure if is worth it ! ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭Thor


    Next step is everyone giving 30 days notice. Might not be a huge number but they have altered the contracts and that means your allowed to leave without penalty.

    While this may not have huge impact on some, like myself, many only signed up because of the upload speed. It's standard bait and switch. A company changing the terms after the fact and pretending everything is fine is absolutely unacceptable.

    Also made complaint to comreg. ill be informing virgin media of cancelling and blocking direct debit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭Confused11811


    It will be cancelled. Support staff on the phone know nothing, the engineers on the ground are aware of the issue and will most likely cancel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭Boards_Member


    I requested a document to be sent by email as to cancel my contract.I will ask for a discount as the services provided are changed from their end.

    Cancel the service ? Hmm..unless i can get Eir with their 5Gb,im not sure,to be honest.Is more feelign like a "virgin betray" than a downgrade of 250Mb "virgin fcuking speeds" ! ;)

    Not on my time and money ! Happy to chat with the lads on the ground… ;)

    If they cancel the call out without a valid reason or me requesting it, then that means they take liability of service degradedation and opens a different door.

    Thanks

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭Confused11811


    Everyone should call sales on a different phone to the one on their account. Record the conversation, Ask about the 5G package using a suitable address nearby. In the conversation ask about uploads, they'll give the 10% figure. Save the recording.

    Log an official complaint with virgin, they must supply you with a complaint number. Don't reference the sale call is recorded. After 10 days if the issue is not sorted contact coming and supply all details . As suggested contact the CCPC too as it's an abuse of position.

    I'd suggest you also contact you local TD and and ask them to raise a PQ for the minister of Communications. This is a degrading of the network and Internet which should be improving.

    Contact Tech reviewers and journalists, this issue doesn't just affect the new flagship product but seems to affect all users on Virgins network, including Sky and Eir.

    They all would be within their right to kick up a fuss .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭Boards_Member


    To be honest …

    i never had near to 5GB either way…best i reached 2Gb.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭Confused11811


    You need a wired 5gig capable device to get the full download speeds. Very few devices are capable of it, most PC's required a 5gig network card to be added. Your upload speeds are a different thing as pretty much all standard PC's/devices can achieve the upload speed that was advertised and promised



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭Confused11811


    IMHO cancelling just gets them off the hook and where do you go ? Better to push them via the comreg and CCPC



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭Boards_Member


    Only 5 G ?

    My lan runs at native 10/25 fibre optic medium...except, the virgin speeds are not reachable deep & high enough to create any real excitment in the G number's zone… ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭NotShero


    From your earlier speed test screenshot, your WAN is running at 5Gb so it is definitely something to do with your local network (switches, network cards, devices) and not on Virgin Media's side.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭Thor


    Already done, but they didn't say 10 percent. They said 500Mb.

    So their sales are effectively providing false information.

    Absolutely ridiculous that VM would allow a choice like this to stand. Someone made this decision without proper approval, as most on the company aren't aware and no way would legal approve of altering a package.

    Easy argument for refund from 13th onwards, since there has been no communication on the change.



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