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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,897 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. The govt will contribute 0.5% so presumably that's instead of the tax relief element



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,420 ✭✭✭plodder


    Yes, they can give it the two fingers. But, the point was these companies are pressuring employees to sign up, with false claims that they have to. AE would definitely be better for them.

    “The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper name.” - Confucius



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,927 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The way it'll probably eventually go is a basic payment based on PRSI contributions, and then a means-tested top up

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    How about the government treat PAYE payers like adults and let use invest in whatever we want with our money without punitive taxation.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,962 ✭✭✭hold my beer




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Just the awkward tax situation if you want to stick your spare cash into an etf rather than locking it away in a pension scheme.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,927 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    You can opt out of auto-enrollment and make your own arrangements.

    But a lot of people never think about retirement until it's too late.

    The whole point of a pension scheme is that it's "locked away" until retirement and can't be dipped into to get you a new car or whatever. The quid pro quo is the tax relief. If the scheme allows you to withdraw funds, there's a clawback of the relief

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,520 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    So we should eliminate the 40% tax break on pension investments for higher rate taxpayers presumably?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,962 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    you can invest in whatever you want to. Unfortunately the majority of employees don't invest anything in their future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    I'm thinking of signing up for the Waylon Jennings pension plan! But seriously currently conflicted as to wether contributing more to a PRSA or holding out for AE is the best option. Employer is adding a very meager annual top up to PRSA.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,927 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    You should probably be paying for the opinion of a qualified financial advisor rather than randos on the internet 😀 it should pay for itself many many times over.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    AE seem like the better option as employer will be contributing a larger amount but will have to wait until whatever the future retirement age will be, while PRSA allows a tax free lump withdrawal at 60.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,038 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    you can’t post “I wish the government would allow us to do whatever we wanted” and then worry about what to do! Ha



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,897 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Yeah that doesn't surprise me, companies will try anything in fairness. The hard shoulder yesterday had "small employers" texting in complaining about the added cost, not realising that it will help with inflation in the short term and give more money to the retired in the long term. Plus on a minimum wage employee their contribution is just €400 a year

    The way I see it even a 1% employer contribution is better than AE in a lot of cases, bearing in mind there's a lot of employers who up until now have contributed nothing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,338 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    There are many countries in Europe that have savings accounts where you can accumulate a limited amount of money tax-free (like the ISA in the UK). There's been talks of introducing something similar here for years, but under our centre-left government, it's just never going to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,897 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Centre-left is a bit of a stretch. Considering their pro-business approach centre-right is probably more applicable. In any case those funds are more or less what we have with our PRSA



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,927 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Remember all the hullabaloo about SSIAs? Big deal, all it amounted to was standard-rate tax relief on a limited amount of savings, but we treated it as if it was winning the lotto

    Lots of countries allow tax relief on small savings, and not time limited like ours was either. Encouraging people to save is a good idea. But in this country you get nailed to the wall between crap interest rates and DIRT.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,090 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Because you are not very go at it and the rest of the country would have to share in your misfortunes through social assistance through your retirement.

    The average American hit's retirement with about 50K net in retirement funds throught the wonders of the IRA, while the average Swiss comes in with about 500k as a result of being supervised by the government.

    Sometimes it is not about you, it's about society and a shared responsibility. The whole reason we are, like the rest of the EU, moving to the three pillar system is to ensure people don't become a drain on society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Can't argue with that alright. Maybe a shorter term vehicle for people saving for a home or self improvement than going all out consumer investment free for all.

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