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Vendor not identifying septic tank location

  • 18-11-2025 06:15PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭


    I’m purchasing a vacant property which has been empty for a few years and requires significant upgrades, which I am totally ok with. It has a septic tank, but so far the auctioneer has indicated three totally different places on the property for the tank, none of which has been correct. The propery extends to just over an acre and I have walked its entirety but cannot find it. I lifted the inspection lid at the soil pipe at the house and it looks like the direction is exactly opposite to where the auctioneer has indicated, possibly off the property. He keeps querying why I want to find it and can’t seem to understand it’s a basic requirement for the purchase. I do realise I could get someone to cctv the pipe to find it but I’m loathe to spend that money when I believe it’s the vendors responsibility to locate and identify it. Am I correct, or should it be up to me to locate?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Magilla Gorilla


    Be very careful. I’m aware of two cases in my location where the septic tank was on neighbouring properties. Potentially huge issues if any problems arise, general maintenance, sale of the property etc.

    The auctioneer should know. It’s basic information.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭dennyk


    He keeps querying why I want to find it and can’t seem to understand it’s a basic requirement for the purchase.

    Oh, he understands full well why you're asking and how important it is; he's just hoping against hope that you actually don't and will just let it go so that the fact that it's under the neighbour's land won't torpedo his prospective sale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 85 ✭✭D n G


    Has the septic tank been registered? The seller will need to give you a Certificate of Registration - your solicitor will be asking them for it. Have you checked the planning for the property? The septic tank should be marked if plans were submitted for planning permission.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭Buffman


    They obviously don't have a clue and probably don't care enough to find out. Shouldn't be that hard to find yourself without having to pay someone, follow the direction you've identified and it won't be too far away, bends are kept to a minimum and poo flows downhill and they didn't dig to Australia for it. 💩

    Vacant property, empty for years, significant upgrades required. Personally I'd just factor in that the sceptic tank needs to be replaced and do your calculations accordingly.

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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,226 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Yeah I highly doubt the auctioneer has any clue where it is.

    It's there neighbouring properties? Those people may know.

    What size is the site?

    And id agree with the above, if you are renovating id definitely be factoring in a tank upgrade, and all that that entails.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,442 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    How hard is it to find a septic tank on an acre, when you already know the direction to follow?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    If there's any houses close to the property check there planning, as the septic tank on the property you want to buy may be marked on there plans, particularly if they have a well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,126 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    if you find it is not located on the site I would walk away from the sale. You are opening a severe can of worms



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭twignme


    Thanks for the replies so far. I have factored in an upgrade, but I’m not ruling out that the current tank may still be serviceable and won’t know until it’s located and I can check so that plans can be made and budgets allocated.

    I guess my query really is, should I have to search for it or is the onus on the vendor/auctioneer to locate it? And they have to answer in the conveyancing questionnaire regarding wayleaves or easements for any services so how are they going to answer that if they don’t know where it is?

    You’d think so wouldn’t you Citizen. However, three different areas ‘waved’ at from afar as being the location have come to nothing within that acre, I have searched very thoroughly. And as I mentioned, the direction of the sewer pipe is in totally the opposite direction, off the property. I still don't think it is me who should be trying to find it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,442 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    I'd take it that they were hiding something, and wouldn't be relying on them to tell me where it is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,558 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    As has been said, it should be on previous planning records. If you really want the house you need to be talking to planning to see if you would be allowed to put in a new water treatment system - surely on an acre it should be possible, unless there are drainage issues. If its a very old property its possible it doesn't have a septic tank, possibly there is a soak pit. Is there evidence of very lush or vigorous grass or plant growth anywhere?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭divillybit


    Check the neighbours folio to see if there a wayleave registered to allow access for maintenance of the septic tank or percolation area... you could also borrow some sewer rods or a roll of half inch pipe and push them down the access junction and see how far they go..the lid of the septic tank probably had a layer of grass over it now, so bring a shovel and start prodding the ground for a concrete lid in the general direction of where the pipe goes and you find the tank



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭T-Maxx


    New system required as mentioned already. Where the existing tank is at the moment is pretty much irrelevant.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,483 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    handy bargaining chip to have in any negotiations though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 808bassqueen


    Knock on your neighbors doors. You might find out in an instant before you go rooting for neighbors folios and official channels taking weeks or months.

    If you really want the house you'll do this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,565 ✭✭✭JustJoe7240


    I'd bet any money that tank is on neighbouring ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭Dont Be at It


    If it's a very old cottage it probably doenst haven't a working septic tank. These old properties are sold "with septic tank" so you don't have to apply for planning permission. There's a huge issue in many parts of the country with councils granting planning with standard septic tank due to ground conditions.

    But buying old cottages has been seen as a "loophole" of sorts around this issue. If I was buying an old cottage where I'm from that has a septic tank, I'd just assume it doesn't have one and putting one in is a given expense on my side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,361 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    I've come across cases in my job where septic tanks and other water services are actually on adjoining neighbours property. This can and does lead to other complicated issues if the cordiality does ever break down between the two parties concerned.

    I'd be making a point of finding out for definite where this tank is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭Buffman


    I guess my query really is, should I have to search for it or is the onus on the vendor/auctioneer to locate it? And they have to answer in the conveyancing questionnaire regarding wayleaves or easements for any services so how are they going to answer that if they don’t know where it is?

    In an ideal world obviously yes, but I think you're presuming a certain level of competence from the auctioneer that has already been shown to be somewhat lacking. Unfortunately nothing unusual there in my experience.

    Sometimes you have to do all your investigation and due diligence yourself to ensure you don't get any nasty surprises, particularly when it comes to vacant homes.

    An example I always get a chuckle out of is a lad I know who was in a similar situation and had to go investigate stuff himself. Chatting around the neighbours led him directly to the vendor who was a few km up the road.

    After another friendly chat with the vendor, who wasn't particularly impressed with the auctioneer's 'professionalism' either, the vendor offered to show him around the property to help answer all the queries and while doing that it transpired the auctioneer had never actually officially signed on the vendor/property as a client and the deal was then done privately in 10 minutes with a handshake over the kitchen table.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,412 ✭✭✭blackbox


    Having a septic tank on adjoining property is not a problem if the proper wayleave agreements are in place.

    It mainly happens where a house is built for a family member and later sold off.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭twignme


    Useful comments from you all, thank you.

    My investigations continue today ……..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,204 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    As someone said earlier sewer rods to locate distance if sewer. You will have an idea if you come to a bend.

    A hay fork and a long thin bar as well as a block hammer. A Hay fork we go 6" into tge ground usually these tanks are covered by 4-6" of dirt at the most. The hammer and spike is if the hay fork finds noting.

    After that it's decision time. You will probably be 99% gauranteed to get a treatment unit allow for to service the property on an acre site. You can always install the replacement on a dark night and new filter beds. If you can get a discount do and plough on

    If

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,050 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    The auctioneer is nevertheless entitled to a fee if that happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,204 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Not If there was no contract signed. As well its immaterial to the buyer it between the vendor and the auctioneer.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭Buffman


    I'd wish him luck in court trying to get anything without a written contract/agreement of any kind.

    (In the case I mentioned I know for a fact they didn't contact the vendor ever again, never mind try to get any fee out of them.)

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