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Republic of Ireland General Discussion Thread 2026

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,700 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I don't ever remember seeing any Irish fans doubt him.

    I do remember them rightly saying a guy whk spends his career on the bench shouldn't be first choice just because it's a Liverpool bench.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,685 ✭✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Nobody will replace what Coleman brings to the team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,179 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Finding it utterly hilarious reading lads saying we 'should have stuck with Mick'.

    Incredibly short memories. No doubt people will say 'but he brought us to a play off' too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Mick was a dinosaur, Kenny was out of his depth. Pick your poison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,179 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    certainly would have had Mick over Kenny for the playoff vs Slovakia considering in his first year in charge we scored 1 goal in 8 matches



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    He was the best option at the time. He's a solid manager.

    Under Kenny we dropped way down the rankings which will take years to recover from.

    Our seeding makes it much more difficult to qualify.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,835 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Mick left us in a far healthier place than Kenny. Having to hope two results go our way to get a home draw because of our woeful rankings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,628 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Kenny was a mistake. That's clear. It was clear very early on. The problem was he was allowed to stay in the job for so long. That's on the FAI.

    Imo he also got an easy ride from the media which didn't help the situation. Anyway, that's history. Onwards and upwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,986 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I don't think he was mistake. The FAI's finances were wiped out by John Delaney, first of all. Secondly, the team had had two fairly well-known and highly-paid managers previously and there was this feeling that their heart wasn't entirely in the job, taking a big pay packet to play a conservative style of football that perhaps didn't meet the full potential of the team.

    Kenny would take a smaller wage, with a promise that he'd build the team back toward a more progressive and open style of attacking play. Irish fans seemed to accept that this would take some time and nobody got too hard on his back early on. Kenny had some hype around him due to his work at Dundalk, and Michael O'Neill, another LoI alumnus had really turned around the fortunes of the north, so there was this idea that even an LoI level manager could lead an international senior team to good results.

    It was a well-meaning project that we were mostly ready to allow some time to. It didn't work out as the players just weren't there and/or Kenny was tactically out of his depth.

    If nothing else, Kenny's tenure would shut up the 'play some fkn football' merchants for a while.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,179 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    This can be true, but it doesn't justify the rewriting of history of how well and truly awful Mick was.

    People seem to be ignoring how we managed to qualify for that play-off in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,179 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Also, for those banging on about seedings/rankings.

    For Euro 2020 qualifying, ie Mick McCarthy's term - we were third seeds.

    Kenny left the job with Ireland as… third seeds.

    Like I said, a complete rewriting of history and f*ck all of it based on any kind of fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    pretty much how I see it. It was a well meaning failure and we needed to get it (a desire to play out from the back) out of our system.


    the damage it done has been largely fixed by the last weeks results



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Still Pot 3, but a worse Pot 3.

    2020 qualifying they were pots of 10, and we were in Pot 3 as 23rd seed.

    2026 qualifying (current) there were pots of 12 so if we had maintained 23rd seed we would be in Pot 2. But we had fallen even lower to be in Pot 3 ranked #28.

    Which is not to blame Kenny. A dismal Nations League campaign by O'Neill put us in Pot 3 initially, MMC had a horrible Euro 2020 qualifying campaign where we flukily backed into a play-off, Kenny did what he did and there was no improvement, and HH had a poor initial Nations League as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,549 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    Bit harsh on Kerr. He took over a team that had lost its opening 2 games v the main opposition. He brought it down to the last game v Switzerland (got badly beaten though)

    The World Cup 06 qualifying group is one of the closest I can remember. The difference between France, Ireland, Switzerland and Israel (outside of goal difference) was a world class Henry goal at Lansdowne Road. If I had a complaint about him that campaign it was the losing 2 goal lead v Israel at home when he went defensive and not being able to have a better go at breaking down Switzerland at home. Overall though we were never embarrassed under him and were very competitive with him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,179 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Just so I'm clear then.

    We were in Pot 3 when he took over and then Pot 3 when he left. Fair to say this tanking the rankings is hyperbole

    Also, we got into a play-off because of that dismal Nations League where we got 2 points out of 12 and finished bottom of our group. It had absolutely nothing to do with anything Mick did.

    Also, fast forward to that play-off and we should have won that. It wasn't SK's fault either that Conor Hourihane missed an open goal in Slovakia.

    Not a go at you personally because you actually had the manners to at least make sure you knew what you were talking about.

    Also, this isn't a praise SK type post, it's in response to those who seem to think Mick was grand when it was an utterly atrocious term. There is zero evidence Mick would have won that play-off against Slovakia based on the turgid crap he subjected us to.

    There was an obnoxious arrogance among a large cohort of Irish fans that a team mixed with old has-beens and young players who needed to be parachuted in was going to achieve anything. These fans couldn't be told that it wasn't going to happen right away (granted it should have been better by the end of the SK reign but confidence among the players was completely shot by then). Now, these players have now won 30+ caps and many of the young lads have developed into fine Premier League/upper Championship players and these same people think Heimer's a miracle worker.

    I've maintained from the outset that whoever took over from SK would be thankful for him because, regardless of what anyone says here, there's no manager of the Mick mould that would have brought in those players at the rate SK did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    he had a very good squad. We blew late leads vs Israel away as well as the other one vs Israel. We never beat a qualification rival in his 2 campaign tenure. The football was clueless. I wouldn’t expect you to look back at the games on YouTube but I looked back at the France game a few months back and it reminded me of how there was no plan whatsoever.

    Hes remembered as treated unfairly but in reality he couldn’t do the job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,835 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    No doubt "Pot 3" will be the same "Pot 3" reality be damned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,986 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Ireland squandered a lead to Israel twice under Kerr. A one goal lead in Tel Aviv and a two goal lead in Dublin. A win in either one of those rather than a draw and Ireland would have simply needed to not lose the last game v. Switzerland. And the last game v. Switzerland was a remarkably listless and depressing Irish performance considering what was at stake. Second was very doable, but it was completely fumbled.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    his team scored one goal in his first eight games. Martin O’Neill’s tenure ended with a similar record but he got the sack. The fai were skint at the time and gate receipts were good under Kenny so he served a purpose in that way. He brought through Ogbene and Bazunu. All the other players were not up to the level or absolutely obvious to bring through. We dropped about 20 places in our fifa ranking.

    It didn’t go well. Let’s move on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭HurlingBoy


    Kerr had a much better squad of players than SK and while his record was not too bad he still failed to qualify. My point is that while we would all love these home grown managers that have managed in the League of Ireland to be successful they just do not have the qualifications to compete at International Level. It's one thing managing a squad of players but another being tactically astute to get results in International football. HH on the other hand while we have not qualified for anything yet had managed Iceland and Jamaica



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,628 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    A lot of spin going on here regarding SK. Here's the Fifa rankings for the start and end of his reign, the stain that it was.

    Ireland Fifa ranking April 2020 was 34.

    Ireland Fifa ranking in Nov 2023 was 60.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,628 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    His level is LOI, and he has proved that since he went to back into club football. Nothing wrong with that obviously. He was a fish out of water in senior International football.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭FrankN1


    Are there any fixtures that we want to go out way tonight?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    we want Northern Ireland to lose but no more than usual.


    for playoffs purposes tonight: no. Tomorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,569 ✭✭✭blackcard


    North Macedonia to draw or beat Wales in Wales. Wales are 8/11 favourites to win on Tuesday

    Austria to draw or beat Bosnia in Austria. Bosnia are 7/1to win. Match is on Tuesday.

    Both results are required for Ireland to be in Pot 2

    Post edited by blackcard on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,966 ✭✭✭adaminho




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,272 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    @mods I’d pin this as the first post since many noobs have questions



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,578 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Say if Hungary scored in the 96 min a lot of us would just give up



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