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Couple Ordered to Demolish House - any update?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,136 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    If you could indicate what area you live we could direct you where to swim with with your treated ****!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,281 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    My views may not be shared by society but that does not make them wrong, mr. conformist.

    So-called "rural planning" (aka corruption) has ruined this country.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,302 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    What are the chances of the demolition charges being passed onto the land owners?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭Deregos.


    Ah just let them be at this stage. The house hasn't done any harm, only that it's size initially offended a few begrudgers. its been doing its job for the past twenty years in helping raise a family. It could raise more families in the years to come. I bet me life its been a trauma for their children too.

    We're living in the middle a severe housing crisis, we could do with a fresh review and a relaxing of some of the archaic planning laws in this country anyway.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,567 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I don't think you'll get much sympathy for that opinion here.

    Should we let speeding drivers off as long as they don't cause any harm? Etc etc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,908 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    If we "let them be" then a lot more people would do the same. Id say there are already a lot of people pushing the boundaries and getting retention, these people saw the line, crossed the line, and the line is now a little dot on the horizon for them. They fucked around, and now they are finding out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    I'm dure its been a nightmare for the kids, who are now fully grown. That's the parents fault.
    I don't wee why we should reward parents who put their kids through "trauma" like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭bladespin


    How has this'ruined' the country? Agree on the corruption angle but can't for the life of me understand how one-off housing has runied us???

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,146 ✭✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    I asked ChatGPT ... I'm just a messenger ...

    Impact of One-Off Housing on a Country:

    • Strain on Infrastructure and Services
      • Inefficient infrastructure development (roads, utilities, etc.).
      • Increased costs to extend services to isolated areas.
      • Limited access to key services like healthcare, education, and shopping.
    • Environmental Degradation
      • Loss of natural habitats: Development on farmland, forests, or wetlands harms ecosystems.
      • Urban sprawl: Expanding housing leads to the destruction of green spaces and agricultural land.
      • Increased pollution: Greater dependence on cars and spread-out living increases air pollution and carbon footprint.
    • Social Fragmentation
      • Isolation of residents: One-off housing often lacks community spaces, weakening social bonds.
      • Reduced social cohesion: Isolated housing undermines neighborhood identity and shared resources.
    • Economic Inefficiency
      • Higher costs for local governments to provide services to dispersed developments.
      • Limited economic growth, as isolated homes don’t foster vibrant commercial areas or job markets.
    • Contributing to Housing Crisis
      • Does not address affordable housing needs in urban centers.
      • Often caters to wealthier individuals, exacerbating inequality.
    • Increased Car Dependency
      • Longer commutes to urban areas, leading to traffic congestion and higher environmental impact.
      • Greater reliance on cars reduces sustainability and the viability of public transport systems.
    • Land Speculation and Poor Planning
      • Encourages unregulated development, leading to inefficient land use.
      • Disrupts long-term urban planning and zoning efforts, leading to conflict between different land uses (e.g., agriculture vs. residential).
    • Impact on Rural Communities and Nature
      • Degrades rural landscapes: Sprawling housing alters the character of rural areas and destroys natural beauty.
      • Pressure on resources: Rural areas struggle to support more residents without the necessary infrastructure, putting stress on local ecosystems.
    • Legal and Regulatory Challenges
      • Development without proper permits can compromise safety and building standards.
      • Property rights and land disputes may arise, complicating land management and conservation efforts.

    Nature-Specific Impacts:

    • Biodiversity loss: Habitat destruction from housing development reduces species diversity.
    • Climate change: Sprawl increases carbon emissions due to higher transportation needs.
    • Water management issues: Urban sprawl can disrupt natural water flow, leading to flooding and reduced groundwater recharge.

    In short, one-off housing undermines both social cohesion and environmental health by spreading out development in ways that are inefficient, costly, and harmful to natural ecosystems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,416 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Here's the same for urban housing

    1. Housing Affordability Problems

    • High rent and property prices make it difficult for low- and middle-income families to secure adequate housing.
    • Leads to housing insecurity, overcrowding, or people being forced into informal settlements.
    • Worsens income inequality.

    2. Overcrowding

    • Rapid urbanization can create densely packed living conditions, especially in slums or low-income areas.
    • Overcrowding increases the spread of infectious diseases, raises stress levels, and reduces overall quality of life.

    3. Homelessness

    • When demand for housing outpaces supply, more people are pushed out of the housing market.
    • Lack of affordable options contributes directly to rising homelessness.

    4. Social Inequality & Displacement

    • Urban housing markets often reinforce social and economic inequalities.
    • Gentrification can displace long-term residents, breaking up communities and cultural networks.
    • Segregation between income groups becomes more pronounced.

    5. Environmental Degradation

    • Poorly planned housing contributes to urban sprawl, which increases pollution, traffic congestion, and loss of green spaces.
    • Older or badly designed buildings consume more energy, increasing carbon emissions.

    6. Pressure on Infrastructure

    • High-density housing without adequate planning can overwhelm water, sewage, electricity, and transportation systems.
    • Results in frequent outages, traffic congestion, and poor sanitation.

    7. Health Problems

    • Substandard housing can cause respiratory issues, mold-related illness, and poor mental health.
    • Lack of ventilation, clean water, and proper waste disposal in informal settlements worsens health risks.

    8. Decline in Quality of Life

    • Noise pollution, limited privacy, lack of recreational space, and long commute times all reduce residents’ well-being.
    • Unsafe or poorly maintained buildings increase risks of injury.

    9. Increased Crime

    • Areas with inadequate housing or high population density often experience higher crime rates due to unemployment, social stress, and weak social cohesion.

    10. Rising Construction Costs and Land Conflicts

    • High land value can lead to illegal land grabbing, conflict between developers and communities, or corruption in housing allocation.
    • Expensive construction can prioritize profit-driven luxury housing, leaving affordable housing neglected.

    Summary

    Urban housing can create serious social, economic, environmental, and health challenges when poorly planned or inadequately managed. The key negative impacts include affordability issues, displacement, environmental stress, infrastructure overload, health risks, social inequality, and rising homelessness.

    ChatGPT will give you the answer you want. It does not and cannot always see the full picture.

    There are obviously advantages and disadvantages to both. That's why we have both rural and urban housing. It's why the rules and criteria which rural houses are required to meet are different to those that urban housing needs to meet.

    Yes, septic tanks and wastewater treatment systems designed and installed donkeys years ago do not meet acceptable criteria today. Modern standards and requirements for rural housing are far more strict (and have often been the main factor in planning applications being refused).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,509 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Obesity is a massive problem with car dependent homes. I have personally seen this. City kids cycle, bus, DART, skate etc.. to school, scouts etc… My rural relations kids are driven everywhere and more than a few struggle with weight as do the parents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭tppytoppy


    I cycled to school and shops in a location where now "local needs" apply and I kicked football and pucked a sliothar around from sun up to sun down during school holidays. Just because you know helicopter parents doesn't mean you know how children in general spend their time in the countryside.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭pummice


    If the Murrays just refuse to leave, what options have the council available to forcibly remove them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,679 ✭✭✭Grueller


    The as do parents line suggest genetics and learned lifestyle from parents is a far bigger factor than rural living



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,928 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    again, through chat GPT:

    are school children more likely to be obese in urban living or rural living in ireland?

    ChatGPT said:

    That’s a very good question. Short answer: in Ireland, current national data do not suggest a strong urban–rural difference in childhood obesity — school-location (urban vs rural) is not clearly linked to obesity prevalence. Here’s an explanation, plus some caveats.

    What the Data Shows for Ireland

    1. HSE / COSI Survey (Round 6)
      • The Childhood Obesity Surveillance Initiative (COSI) Round 6 (2022–2023) reports that ~17.7% of primary school children in Ireland are overweight or obese. about.hse.ie+1
      • Importantly: they found no significant differences in overweight/obesity prevalence between children in urban vs rural schools. about.hse.ie
      • Their detailed report also confirms this: in Round 6, weight classification by urbanisation showed no significant urban–rural differences. HSE.ie
    2. Earlier COSI Rounds
      • In Round 5, using IOTF (International Obesity Task Force) cut-offs, the COSI data also showed very similar rates of overweight + obesity in urban (18.8%) vs rural (19.9%) schools. HSE.ie
      • A more in-depth Irish research paper also found no associations between school location (urban vs rural) and child weight status. researchrepository.ucd.ie
      • Another study similarly concluded that school socio-economic factors (e.g., disadvantaged / DEIS) are more strongly linked to obesity risk than whether a school is urban or rural. PubMed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,416 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    It's not so much what options the Council have, it's the courts. There are court orders against the Murrays. If they refuse to abide by court orders they're looking at fines and then possible prison sentences for further refusal/contempt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,509 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Again, through ChatGPT:

    Rural obesity is a problem in Ireland, and it is becoming more visible as lifestyle patterns change outside the major cities. While obesity is often talked about in an urban context, many of the contributing factors are actually stronger in rural areas.

    Rural obesity is definitely an issue in Ireland and in some ways it’s getting worse. A lot of it comes down to how rural life has changed. Decades ago people were far more active through farming, walking, manual work and just day-to-day movement. Now a huge amount of rural employment is sedentary or involves long commutes, and even farmers rely on machinery for tasks that used to require physical effort.

    On top of that, rural areas have fewer facilities that make a healthy lifestyle easy. Public transport is poor, so you’re in the car for everything. Gyms, pitches, and swimming pools are limited. Even footpaths can be non-existent, so walking is basically “go out on a country road and hope you don’t get flattened”. Add in the rise of convenience food, takeaways spreading into towns and villages, and the fact that socialising is usually food or drink based, and you get a slow, steady increase in weight across the population.

    Healthcare access plays a role too. It’s simply harder to get regular checkups, dietitian support, or early interventions when you’re nowhere near a GP with capacity. By the time someone tackles the issue, it can be much more advanced.

    It’s not about blaming people – it’s the environment. Rural Ireland just isn’t built for active living anymore, and the safety net around health isn’t strong enough to counter the changes.

    Back in the real world. Rural kids tend to be driven in cars. Urban kids are more likely to cycle, walk, skate or catch public transport.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,567 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i think this proves we can't trust chatGPT and the idea of a discussion forum becoming somewhere that people pit LLMs at each other is depressing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,486 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    I think it's time to go back to discussing an unauthorised house built by the Murray family in County Meath instead of all this chatGPT sh!t.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭bladespin


    According to Chat GPT then, ok, so our country is ruined??? Really, looks ok (not perfect maybe) from where I'm sitting - I live in a town btw but don't see the reasons for demonization of those that don't.

    The obesity amgle is a non-starter, plenty of fatties ploding around towns as well, if anything the country kids have better access to open spaces for exercise so that would be a fair trade off especially when most rural locations are services by public transport in some form or other unless you've moved into the wilderness altogether.

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    Let's hope they're not asking Enoch for advice about how to deal with court orders.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    More sh1t in them Chat GPT posts than in a well maintained septic tank..😃



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,524 ✭✭✭Homer


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,509 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    It's a fact and it's an international problem, particularly in the USA where Irish rural people share a lot of habits like the petrol station selling crap processed food being a social hub. Rural Ireland isn't in fact served well by public transport, that's a misnomer. And those open spaces are mostly private property and farmland. Many will have to drive to get to walk instead of leaving the house on foot or on a bike.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,402 ✭✭✭Ardent


    Can this couple now appeal to European courts and string this out a lot longer or even get a judgement in their favour?

    If I were them I'd even be looking at the European Court of Human Rights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,775 ✭✭✭Allinall


    On what basis could they possibly appeal to the ECHR?

    And more to the point, how would thewy pay for it?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,538 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    How are their human rights being infringed upon? (hint: they're not)
    This is a planning matter. They ignored the laws and built a McMansion after being denied permission for a smaller house because the land has been sterilised. They aren't suffering because of the planning decision. If they are suffering then it is simply because of their stupidity in chancing their arm.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,416 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Peregrinus provided a decent answer to this a few pages back;

    Short answer being no, given the length of time and how much of it has already been determined by numerous Irish courts, and the fact there's no real breach of human rights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Not disputing it's not ideal just wondering how it has runied us???

    Bohermeen isn't very rural at all but for the argument how is this location not well served? I can easily get to this house from the Dubin without using a car, like most rural Ireland, not perfectly set up for commuting but you can survive without a car, many do.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Human rights? lol. Is this the new thing that people say thinking a magic bullet,



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