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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,682 ✭✭✭✭con747


    Make the house safe for the family and use the money you were holding back for the bathroom company for it. No matter what happens down the road with the bathroom company that's what counts for now, having a Christmas without worry. If they want to play hardball I doubt any judge would rule against you if it went that far.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,897 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Thanks, I kept all my correspondence with the bathroom company to email so I have a great record of all the issues we've faced and the amount of times the electrician either didn't show up or left the house in a worse situation. They also know they sent 4 different electricians who never issued any certs so could possibly be not qualified to carry out any works. I've been far too lenient and soft in my dealings with them and it's gotten me nowhere so I think it's time to play hardball. Legally and morally I don't think that company have a leg to stand on and I did previously threaten him with getting in my own electrician to fix his problems so he can't say he wasn't warned

    Time is contagious, everybody's getting old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,967 ✭✭✭meercat


    my advice still is not to get anything else done until safe electric/ cru investigate.
    They would give you the go ahead for remedial work straight away

    Submit the report this evening and follow up with a call tomorrow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,897 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    I tried to make a report previously but they said they couldn't do anything without the electricians details which I don't have at the moment unfortunately. Who or what is cru? Just did a quick Google and saw it's for utilities?

    Time is contagious, everybody's getting old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,682 ✭✭✭✭con747


    Usually a toothless organisation but it would be no harm getting them involved. https://www.cru.ie/about-us/what-we-do/

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    Energy safety regulation

    The CRU has a key role in protecting public safety and the prevention of major accidents in Ireland’s energy sector. This includes safety regulation of gas (networks, supply, storage, use and liquefied petroleum gas distribution), petroleum (upstream (onshore and offshore) exploration and production of hydrocarbons) and gas installers and electrical contractors. Our public safety remit also includes ensuring electrical contractors and gas installers operate to relevant national standards to protect life and property as well as promoting customer awareness of safety.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,897 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    I'll contact safe electric again and see if they have any way to investigate without the electricians details as I'm not expecting the bathroom crowd to send the relevant information on to me. I'll take a closer look at the cru website and see if they have any options for submitting a complaint

    Time is contagious, everybody's getting old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,227 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Anyone any idea why an rcbo would burn out like that prior to tripping? A problem with it itself rather than a wiring issue? I notice it's all on the neutral side so that would suggest it was at fault.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,967 ✭✭✭meercat


    most likely a loose connection causing arching and generating heat. This would not generally cause the rcd to trip.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,897 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Would safe electric send someone out to look at the work that has been done or how exactly do they investigate?

    Time is contagious, everybody's getting old.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,897 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Spoke to safe electric who said they can't do anything without the electricians details which I don't have so they've told me go to the cru and report it as illegal works and they'll investigate it, they said I should also employ a rec and get any issues fixed asap

    Time is contagious, everybody's getting old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ImTiredOfItAll


    Problem is most bathroom companies don't use an electrician let alone a REC for electrical work in bathrooms. They don't use plumbers. For the most part it's the tiles doing all the work. It's only after client complaints that they might engage a REC. What sort of REC are they engaging that are then willing to cert someone else's work.

    It's a mess to be sure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ImTiredOfItAll


    I wouldn't pay a penny to the bathroom company until all issues are resolved safely and the provide OP with all the names & addresses of the electricians they had working on the board and the bathroom. This could be the only way to get the correct details for Safe Electric



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ImTiredOfItAll


    This is why you shouldn't give a penny to the bathroom company. Forget holding back a few grand. I wouldn't give a penny until they provide you with all the correct details for the contractors they sent to your home. It's them that you have a contract with. They are 100% liable for contractors they send to your home.

    Even if you had an electrical fire, your contract is with the bathroom company and not the electricians they sent out to you. Safe Electric will blame the electricians but legally it's the bathroom company that is responsible as far as you are concerned

    If it were me any payments the bathroom company would receive from me would be many, many months away after Safe Electric is satisfied with everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,897 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    I think you could be right, the first 2 guys they sent were probably just jack of all trades and when I complained about the workmanship they then decided to send a proper electrician but by then the damage had been done and the shower had been fitted to a board that was not suitable

    Time is contagious, everybody's getting old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ImTiredOfItAll


    I see this regularly with bathroom and tile shops in Dublin. Average full new bathroom is €14k to €18k in Dublin. People just assume that because they are paying crazy prices that they are getting a qualified, plumber, tiler and electrician when rarely this is the case.

    Another thread a few years ago. Brand new bathroom refit and the power shower was giving electric shocks. Without even looking at the shower I would assume a faulty earth somewhere. The bathroom company blamed the shower. They didn't even have the basic knowledge of how to check the earth at the shower with a multi meter.

    It's only a matter of time before one of these bathroom company's cause a death 😔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,897 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    I had a phone call off the electrician that was hired to try fix the original few issues I had in the attic. He said he should have known better than to get involved in someone else's work but once he did he is now just as much to blame as the original electricians who installed the shower and he is disgusted and ashamed of what happened on Sunday night. He is running his own business 25 years and this is the first time something serious like that ever happened. Sounded genuine and couldn't stop apologising and has said he is willing to supply and fit a brand new board, test and certify the whole house and carry out any remedial works all free of charge.

    Time is contagious, everybody's getting old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭JL spark


    sounds like a genuine lad , I see it myself this time of year , rushing and racing up to Christmas, ,

    That still should of not happened, I’d let him at the job , and still hold back from bathroom company , and throw the electrician a few euro ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,897 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Yeah I did suggest to him i pay him for all the materials out of the bathroom money but he seems adamant he wants to do it himself as he said he's just glad it's not a house fire or injuries he's dealing with. I actually feel bad for the chap at this stage he sounded so upset on the phone!

    Time is contagious, everybody's getting old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,967 ✭✭✭meercat


    I think that’s fair enough. I wonder has the cru have been in touch with the bathroom company to prompt a response though.

    I’d certainly give him the opportunity to put it right as that’s the minimum safe electric would require if they were involved.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,897 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    The bathroom guy has also finally contacted me to apologise for the complete **** show from the start. Said they should never have fitted a shower onto that board. Said his communication with me was not acceptable and he is going to split all costs with the electrian to make everything right. He is booked in for Monday morning and says it will take 3 days maximum

    Time is contagious, everybody's getting old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,763 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    I'd say he feels like his arse is haunted now. He'll think twice before doing that again without verification.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,967 ✭✭✭meercat


    great stuff. Do you know if communication from the cru has had anything to do with eventually getting your issues resolved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,897 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    No I hadn't actually gotten around to naming any of the people involved so it must have just been the threat of it. That and the fact they hadn't been paid yet

    Time is contagious, everybody's getting old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ImTiredOfItAll


    Brilliant. You seem to have a genuine REC.

    My advice is please don't leave it there, just because someone is making you whole.

    Please follow through with the bathroom company. It could save someone's life by holding them accountable. It's is all their fault. You need to withhold all payment to force them to provide all contact details of the dodgey electricians they sent out to you.

    To save lives in the future they need to pay the price. You need to fully follow through with safety Ireland or safe electric



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,226 ✭✭✭Lenar3556


    One observation I will make is that having various different firms carrying out electrical work in your home isn’t a great idea, because it is difficult to hold any of them accountable when defective work is found.

    It’s also important to do initial due diligence on anyone you do appoint - that fact that they are on the SafeElectric register is not a guarantee of good workmanship - as you have found out.

    Who put those single ferruled cables on top of each other into the bottom of the shower RCBO? That was only done recently - I wouldn’t be anxious to see that guy back doing any more work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,897 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    I think the electrician ringing and offering to do all that work free of charge was on condition I didn't report him and I can't report the other electricians without getting him involved so I probably need to just hope it all gets resolved next week and I can just try forget about the whole thing. It's has been a right pain in the hole for a job that originally only lasted a few days.

    Time is contagious, everybody's getting old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,897 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    First day done and looking good so far. Back tomorrow for testing and remedial works. Old trunking is from the car charger install so will need to be replaced

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    Time is contagious, everybody's getting old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,967 ✭✭✭meercat


    well o.p

    Is this all finished

    Did you get a certificate and test records also



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