Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

I'm not sue why the Brits don't have holding entres they should though. I guess it's mainly cowardice over the optics of holding centres but the truth is irrespective of what the media thinks most people in the Uk would have no problem with them and the same would apply to Ireland. Problem is governments are just too cowardly to make tough decisions.

Also once you implement such a tough stance it acts as a deterrent and people will stop coming in the first place.

Yes let’s

How the hell does a Sudanese person without a passport fly into Ireland?

Answer is they don’t, because they can’t, because there are no direct flights. So they’d have to travel from a different safe country and enter Ireland illegally without documentation.

If life in Ireland as a refugee is so much better than France or wherever else they’ve travelled through then we absolutely need to reconsider our offering as it’s obviously overly generous.

And don’t try and talk to me about them all wanting to come here because Ireland is English speaking - the Asylum system is not meant to be viewed as an avenue for permanent re location. Arabic is their most spoken language in any case - plenty of Arabic speaking nations much closer for them.

Not prison, a purpose built holding facility. Where they would get shelter, medical treatment, access to sanitation and 3 hot meals per day. Education could also be provided for children and English language classes for adults if they so wish. Note the word 'holding' i.e. until such time as their claim is processed they must remain there. The safety of the public is paramount, until such time a person's identity is determined then they should remain at the holding centre.

If their claim for asylum is valid they are granted refugee status. If the claim is invalid the are deported to their country of origin. The processing time should be reduced to prevent any unnecessary waiting for processing per the above procedure. However, arriving without identification is invariably going to increase the processing time and thus the time spent in the holding centre. Making the process a deterrent to deliberate destruction of identification documents, which is positive.

It's that simple, and it's done in several other countries worldwide. Such as Australia.

Why are they coming to Ireland to claim asylum, Sudan is thousands of miles away, there are no direct flights from Sudan to Dublin, they know their country is in a terrible state and they might have to flee so wouldn't they have some form of identity on hand and keep it close by and safe if they need to move in a hurry.

if they don't have a passport then how have they arrived in Ireland and how have they managed to get through so many countries on their way here.

I have no problem accepting genuine asylum seekers however the vast majority of the asylum seekers who arrive in Ireland are not actual asylum seekers they're just claiming to be so they can get in to Ireland.If they are genuine asylum seekers they'd have no problem being questioned heavily and potentially being detained for a period of time to prove their identity and legitimacy of their claim as anything is surely better than being stuck in a war zone.

I agree - we were totally unprepared post COVID for the inevitable influx of asylum seekers. That's not a reason now not to build a purpose built holding centre.

We're a prosperous nation and should pull our weight on facilitating legitimate asylum claims. But also ensure the process is robust and that only legitimate asylum seekers get refugee status. And have a fair process for both asylum seekers and existing citizens.

There is also nothing stopping us having temporary holding centres while we wait for purpose built facilities.

I think people have different interpretations of what asylum is. Some think it is a process for people from the 3rd world to come to the 1st world to make a better life for themselves. The actual definition per Amnesty International is 'a person who has left their country and is seeking protection from persecution and serious human rights violations in another country'. It's to protect people from serious harm, death and persecution. Being in a holding facility for a period of time while the application is processed provides protection from persecution.

And people wonder why we get so many chancers

She can hardly believe her luck that she chose to grift such a naive pack of fools

This kind of pisstaking needs to be smacked down hard in every instance

Any crimes committed during the period in which asylum applications are being considered should be immediate refusal - ought be treated like a probation period

How on earth can you be issued with a deportation order but then subsequently regularise your situation?

Non EEA citizens that commit serious crimes should be deported after serving their sentences. Treaties may limit our ability to do this with EEA citizens but with non EEA ones, we are sovereign.

I remember saying to an aunt of mine about twenty years ago that there were unlikely to be any genuine asylum seekers in the British Isles.