Israel/Palestine Thread

Dresden again ☹️ You guys all read the same source material, never a single original argument.

The Allied bombing of Dresden is widely criticized as wildly unethical by military historians, with little to no impact on ending the war, it was mindless slaughter. Nobody sane is holding it up as moral precedent, except you guys with your rehashed arguments for some reason. Repeating the worst excesses of WW2 is hardly the benchmark you should be aspriring to.

The laws of war, proportionality etc, came about to stop these things everywhere happening again, and by you bringing up Dresden you are s**ting on 80 years of international law that has protected us all from the horrors of WW2 repeating themselves.

Also, when ye bring up Dresden, do you not see you aren't denying what’s happening in Gaza - your admitting it is as f*cking horrific as mankinds darkest hours, where massive warcrimes were carried out against civilians for little military value - you are just trying to find historical company for it.

Spot on. It's just incredible how commonly all the usual suspects here reference it (I've heard it referenced on the news by Israeli politicians aswell).

It's impossible that all these people are simultaneously using the same stupid argument independently of each other.

It also impossible not one of them have actually looked up Dresden, how derided it is, how controversial it was, and how little military benefit was achieved from it, not to mention how it greatly weakened the moral standing of the allies.

How do they all come to the same conclusion and reference that awful event as a metric to judge Gaza, along with Hiroshima as you said, and bring up "what about Syria and Sudan", all of which in themselves are admissions that Gaza is likely a genocide, or at the least containing warcrimes on a mass scale?

It genuinely boggles my mind. Coupled with the "because they are Muslims" argument, the expulsion by the Romans guff, the hive minding of Jewish people, the baseless slander of independent NGOs and humanitarian institutions - all this death is being backed up and supported by nonsense. I cannot understand how any of them buy it, or how they think anyone else will.

Reports a German-Moroccan-Jewish citizen who leaked a video showing Israeli ambassador to Austria is under investigation for the leak. He was at the meeting. German and Austrian media largely ignoring the video. Security forces seized electronic equipment.

Edit: I asked Chatgtp is it authentic and it cant confirm it. It seems Al.Maydeen channel is linked to Hezbollah. So until it is confirmed I'm deleting it.

Maccabi fans rampage again, this time against Palestinians. Uefa are supporting terrorism by not taking action against Israel's soccer clubs

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/maccabi-haifa-fans-attack-palestinian-restaurant-goers-after-match-ends-draw

The safe passage of any fighters on the Israel side of the temporary withdrawal line should have been explicitly written in to the agreement. If Israel can attack Al-Qassam / Hamas fighters on the Israeli side then Hamas can attack Israeli soldiers on the Gaza side.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/full-text-agreement-signed-israel-and-hamas-end-war-gaza

https://english.pnn.ps/news/47840

Police in Tel Aviv arrested three Israeli settlers from Netanya earlier today on charges of raping an American tourist earlier this month.

All three suspects, in their 20s, are reported to be football players in "Israel’s" lower leagues, according to Channel 12.

Authorities confirmed that the suspects will be brought before the Tel Aviv Magistrate’s Court for a remand hearing. The case has sparked public outrage.

Was just watching the doc. It doesn't really matter what they did or do in the end does it? No one's going to do anything or ostracise them unfortunately. They defend these things by saying these things happen in war and hamas shouldn't have started it. Lots of atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan and nothing happens and no one cares now. Same old.

These are not terrorist attacks - they are targeted assassinations, one of them indeed badly botched. An alleged israeli targeted assassination is what started this discussion so I never denied that they do this kind of things, and I have no problem with them going after their enemies, legally or not.

I'd assume they're talking about The Palestine Liberation Army.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Army

You have no issues with a country breaking international law and going after their enemies?

You do know that you are saying you give Israel a carte blanche to go after anyone it wants to as they can change their mind on who their enemies are on a whim. You're perfectly ok with that?

If they decided Ireland was an enemy you've no issue with Israel targeting yourself?

Well Ireland has been described as the most antisemitic country in Europe.

Well known that the majority in Ireland including our own government recognise the state of Palestine. It's not much of a fantasy to see that Israel do not see Ireland in a great light.

Any response to @dmcdona ?

You fully support Israel illegally going against their enemies. I wonder who the Nazi's (abhorently) saw as their enemies.

A lot of countries do that, maybe even Ireland.