Israel/Palestine Thread

If you can find where I explicitly said the following, I will answer your questions.

"I fully support the IDF"

"The IDF are the most moral army in the world"

Do you honestly care a man like MBS is going to put morality and the Palestinians over his own aims and goals, and those of Saudi Arabia?
If there is a deal to be made that will be of benefit to him and Saudi, he will make it.

If that was the case why hasn't he made it then?

Negotiations one presumes.

The Palestinian cause can be used as a negotiating tactic and discarded once he gets what he wants.

For decades, the Arabs have more or less ignored the Palestinians; they are not all popular as one might think.

There were reports Salman was on the cusp of making a deal prior to October 7th, so presumably he had gotten all he wanted. October 7th ensured its off the table for a long time now. The fact Salman has publicly declared signing the accord is now contingent on a two state solution gives him little wiggle room now.

That is his opinion.

Do we know the opinion of Abdel Fattah El-Sisi?

Yea, a select few hardliners, but just because someone makes noise about something in Cabinet does not mean that is the agreed position of the Israeli Government or state.

It would be like listening to Michael Healy-Rae and thinking is views are those of the official Irish government.

We all know the 'plans' for Gaza were fanciful and a fantasy. But it was a nice narrative for some at the time.

What about the Palestinian occupied territories defined borders and Israel's for that matter ?

Lot's of things to be sorted out yet, especially the Palestinians right to determine it's own future which just seems to be ignored by many at the moment.

Perfectly reasonable to get these things down on paper and not pushed into the long grass.

It would be like listening to Michael Healy-Rae and thinking is views are those of the official Irish government.

Are you for real with the above?

As an example of the two most prominent Israeli politicians who overwhelmingly call for the ethnic cleansing and annexation of Gaza (there are more), Ben Gvir and Smotrich are ministers of national security and of finance.

So to correct your sentence, if would be like listening to Jim O Callaghan and Pasqual Donahue and thinking views are those of the official Irish government. Which of course, most people would do.

Finance minister is typically the most snr ministership, after the prime minister, in almost all developed democracies.

And as another poster pointed out- how do conflate your pov with the invasion of the West bank?

Source? He is still listed as a minister on the Israeli governments official website (see below)

Oh, and I didn't realize this, but looking at this site, along with Smotrichs role as minister of finance, he has an additional role as a minister within the defense ministry (similar to jr minister here). By your metrics, sounds extremely influential to me with a v relevant voice, would you not agree?

Surely you accept this is nothing like a Healy Ray. Were you trying to mislead, or were you not aware these are two v senior ministers in government?

And again, why would you argue they don't want Gaza when they are in the process of annexing the West Bank?

The absolute meltdown from Zionists in the US is something to behold. Tucker, Candace, Dave, Glenn etc talking to Fuentes has them falling over themselves. That plus a commie jihadist looking like he might be elected mayor of NYC…

I'll be expecting a false flag "Islamic" terrorist attack any day now...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/04/world-must-fight-israel-genocide-gaza-like-aparthied-navi-pillay

Of the thousands of bombs that have fallen – and fall still – on Gaza, there is one to which Navi Pillay returns: a lone shell, fired by the Israel Defense Forces at the Al-Basma fertility clinic in December 2023. A single strike that wiped out 4,000 embryos in a moment.

The strike was “intended to prevent births” among Palestinians in Gaza, says Pillay, the former chair of the UN’s Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Territory of Palestine and Israel.

“That clinic stands alone in the grounds, separate from the rest of the hospital buildings. They didn’t fire on the hospital – if the excuse is that Hamas is hiding in the hospitals, they didn’t touch the hospital. They came straight to this building and targeted and hit the nitrogen tanks that kept the embryos alive.”

Pillay cites the attack not as a totality, but signal example, one among “a great number” of incidents, that led to Pillay’s commission finding Israel has committed genocide in Gaza.

“Children who were meant to be born from these … reproductive specimens will never exist,” an expert medical witness told the commission’s investigation. “Families will be forever changed and bloodlines may end.”

Not the chosen embryos clearly....

… and of course the Greater Israel maps were party jokes, especially the Kuwait coastline???

The scum army are willing to murder civilians for a few fish.

Israeli naval forces detained five Palestinian fishermen off the coast of Gaza City on Tuesday, a local group said, Anadolu reports.

Israeli gunboats opened fire on fishing boats west of Gaza Port, forcing fishermen to jump into the water without their clothes before being bound and arrested, Zakaria Bakr of the Union of Agricultural Work Committees, a nongovernmental organization, said in a statement.

Four of the detainees are from the same family, including three brothers, he added.

Israel continues to ban fishing in Gaza’s waters despite a ceasefire agreement with Hamas, which took effect Oct. 10. Naval forces have kept pursuing and arresting fishermen, cutting off their only source of income amid a collapsing economy in the enclave.

6 November 2025 is tomorrow, ban of Maccabi thugs is still in place

Dutch police told their British counterparts that over 200 Maccabi Tel Aviv football fans who wreaked havoc in Amsterdam in November 2024 were "linked to the Israel Defense Forces [IDF]", and that hundreds more were "experienced fighters", "highly organised" and "intent on causing serious violence", Middle East Eye can reveal.

The recent ban on fans of Israeli club Maccabi Tel Aviv from a 6 November fixture at Aston Villa in Birmingham triggered a political furore and was denounced as antisemitic last month by the British government. 

But the West Midlands Police assessment which led to the ban was based on intelligence provided by Dutch police about the conduct of Maccabi fans during a match in Amsterdam last November.

The Guardian reported on 21 October that the police assessment "concluded the biggest risk of violence came from extremist fans of the Israeli club".