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Will AI take your job?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,827 ✭✭✭plodder


    I'm not sure that was the point. Many jobs can have unpleasant aspects and more creative/skilled/enjoyable aspects. That includes nursing and plumbing. AI is allegedly of greater threat to the creative and enjoyable aspects than the unpleasant ones. Not that installing a plumbing system is an unpleasant job by any means. Diagnosing and clearing out a blocked sewer is more so.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    AI is going to change things, but what does that mean? New technologies always do.

    About 2 weeks ago I was talking to a mid-head honcho who works in IT for a large retailer; they had outsourced some work to indian, even though it was not working as the consultants said it would. The management group promoting it kept doubling down on it, working out.

    The real issues turned out not to be tech or anything similar; it was cultural, the outsourced indian tech workers would not admit to not understanding what was being asked of them, so they said yes to things they didn't know how to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,827 ✭✭✭plodder


    Deferred wages? That's a good one. For what work? The work that they got paid an actual wage for at the time. 😀 It's hard to compare with the private sector in terms of the "going rate". Though it's true part of the attraction of a public sector job is the pension, but what changed was benchmarking. Remember that?

    It's probably true there aren't many people on a public sector pension of 78k. But there are plenty on extremely generous final salary based pensions that have little relationship to the amount of tax (or earnings even) of the person. It's been corrected for new entrants to the public sector, but we're still stuck with the bill for current retirees and for new ones for many decades to come.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    What has that got to do with AI taking someone's job



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭purplefields


    That's just ageism.

    I'm well and truly middle-aged, and use AI the whole time. My also middle-aged friends in similar fields to me also use it more and more.

    I can't wait for it to completely take over my job. It's a horrible job.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,827 ✭✭✭plodder


    Nothing. It's just a side conversation that maybe should be continued in another thread (maybe the autoenrollment one)

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,827 ✭✭✭plodder


    Ironically, AI can suffer from the exact same problem. Ask AI to explain some made up nonsense, and it tries soooo hard to explain it back to you, as if it is real.

    I was in Spain recently and asked Google on a particular Monday (Why are the shops all shut today in _____ ?) The AI answer came back as "The most likely reason why the shops are shut in ____ is because it's a Sunday"

    You can see easily how that answer was obtained, and how the answer is accurate in a certain context, but it just got the context so wildly wrong ..

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    True : my real point, though, is that humans are very bad at predicting what issues are of concern; all the research, money, and policy in the 1970s on the issue of a population explosion, which was going to devastate the world, largely turned out to be nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,228 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Didn't those gold plated final salary pensions get phased out during the last recession? 2012 I think?

    New joiners in the public service have contributory pensions I believe.

    In any event the government will hit a pension crisis in years to come.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭techman1


    But Ireland does that, we get the corporation tax from these organisations global operations. If they were to be "properly taxed" Ireland would just get a fraction of what it gets now because other countries would also be taking their share.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    I am not disagreeing with your point about pensions, but when you make a statement like that, you really need to add evidence and include the possibility of future policy changes that might address the issue.

    I do think the effect of the My Future fund is not being taken into account when discussing pensions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,537 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Ask AI to explain some made up nonsense, and it tries soooo hard to explain it back to you, as if it is real.

    Which is why it can't be trusted, at all.

    So called "AI" is just a data scraper and too many people are blindly buying into what it regurgitates back at them. I once asked an AI "when was the battle of Stalingrad" and it told me it was in 1943. Now the battle carried on into 1943, but the bulk of it was in 1942, which the AI completely neglected.

    In short, nobody should be relying on any AI program for information. And if you do get info from it, make damn sure you corroborate it with, at the very least, another non-AI source.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    AI ChatGPT answer about Mt Futur Fund.

    Here’s what the model suggests for a typical 30-year-old employee earning €40,000 today under My Future Fund:

    Age at Retirement

    Projected My Future Fund balance

    66

    ≈ €567,000

    This assumes:

    • 2 % annual pay rises,
    • 5 % annual investment return, and
    • gradual ramp-up of contributions (employee + employer + State reaching 6 % + 6 % + 2 % after year 10).

    Comparison: Current State Pension (2025 terms)

    • Current full-rate contributory State Pension ≈ €277.30 per week (≈ €14,420 per year).
    • If it rises with inflation (~2 % per year) until age 66, the annual benefit would be about €29,400 in future money (before tax).
    • There’s no accumulated lump sum, only the ongoing weekly payment from the State.

    💡 Key takeaway

    • My Future Fund: ~€567 k private fund at retirement → could provide roughly €23–28 k per year for 20–25 years, depending on draw-down strategy.
    • State Pension: ~€29 k per year (inflation-adjusted) for life.

    So together, a typical worker could retire with a combined income potential of ~€50 k per year (future-value terms) — significantly more secure than relying solely on the State Pension.

    Would you like me to show how the fund balance could change under different investment return or salary growth scenarios (e.g. 3 %, 6 %, 7 %)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭techman1


    True : my real point, though, is that humans are very bad at predicting what issues are of concern; all the research, money, and policy in the 1970s on the issue of a population explosion, which was going to devastate the world, largely turned out to be nonsense

    It wasn't nonsense it's just that the population explosion concern has now become the climate change or climate emergency. The very fact that we have such a large population growth over last century and they now want middle class lives with all the material things has placed great pressure on the natural world. It's not politically correct anymore to talk about population explosion because it is mostly happening in developing countries especially Africa



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,827 ✭✭✭plodder


    I think the gold plated, diamond encrusted ones (defined benefit based on final salary) were phased out for new entrants but will still apply for a number of decades to anyone who got in before the change. The new entrants merely have a gold plated (defined benefit) pensions now. So, they are insulated from market and demographic forces still.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,228 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yes I have a relation who works in the HSE and is on the defined benefit based on final salary/grade and she says that everyone tries to get as high a grade as possible before they retire so that their pension is maximised. There were a lot of promotion opportunities during Covid I believe. I think they need to be on their final grade for 3 years to get a benefit from it. She said the current CEO is doing a 3 year stint just to avail of the bigger pension.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    There is no point arguing this, it's a shift to climate change, but that does not take from the fact that a population explosion was seen as an enormous existential threat to human society, while in fact India population is set to stabilise in 2061 and firtilty in Africa has dropped form 6 to 3.8, its a bit like how AI is presented as going to cause mass unemployment, the collapse of white color jobs, and the collapse of the middle-clases. The truth is, we dont know what real-world effect AI will have; we can only guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    But what will you do if/when it completely takes over your job and you're no longer needed? I face similar issues



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,008 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Your prompt was too short. You asked a vague question and got a vague answer in response. AI improves the more effort you put into a prompt. A prompt can be a few paragraphs long.

    It's also limited by what other people asked and what is has scraped. And as has been said when it doesn't know, it lies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,008 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    It's still considered a huge threat. That hasn't gone away.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    Its for another thread, its not considered the enormous existential thread it was in the 1970s, and some of it was complete lunacy, I am only using it as an example of how humans are not good at seeing real threats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,034 ✭✭✭Packrat


    I just asked AI why its dry and sunny in Killarney today and I got this "Its dry and sunny in Killarney today because a high pressure is causing stable and calm weather"

    Meanwhile in the real world its pssing all day and blowing a gale.

    Im not overly worried that AI will go out in the rain and feed the animals anytime soon..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,008 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    First off the guy boasting about his pension could like AI have been lying. Also if AI takes jobs there won't be pay rises or increments. Even in public sector you could be stuck at end of scale for years, and investments might not actually give any return.

    So you need to consider what the AI is not considering.

    You also need calculations that are more reliable and robust than AI slop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    I asked AI about threats to humanity versus reality. There are loads of them, funny.

    . The “Population Bomb”

    • When: 1960s–1970s
    • What people feared: Runaway population growth would outstrip food production, leading to global famine and societal collapse.
    • Key figures: Paul Ehrlich (The Population Bomb, 1968).
    • Why it didn’t happen:
      • The Green Revolution dramatically increased agricultural yields (high-yield crops, fertilizers, irrigation).
      • Birth rates declined worldwide as education, urbanization, and living standards improved.
    • Outcome: Global population kept growing, but so did food supply and life expectancy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,008 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Its an enormous issue in Ireland at the moment.

    All that's changed is the narrative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,827 ✭✭✭plodder


    And as has been said when it doesn't know, it lies.

    I'm not sure about that. LLM's are just enormous networks of text. They don't know the difference between the truth and a lie. They don't even know when they don't know the answer to a question.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,008 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    It's doesn't know it's a lie. They default to giving the most likely most probable answer instead of saying it can't do something or doesn't know something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Again, looking down on certain jobs through your own bias. The ignorance on display here is truly something.

    Referring to early childhood workers and caregivers? So they are not skilled? Must tell them they have the “shitiest” job as well. It’s clear you know sod all about plumbing as well, if you did you might understand how complex and skilled it is.

    But you keep judging other people’s careers choices from up high, you clearly know best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,537 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    When was the battle is Stalingrad isn't really a vague question though. It's something that's answered with specific dates.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭purplefields


    The short answer is I don't know. Maybe I should ask ChatGPT for career advise.

    At the moment I spend most of my day copying code from AI. I used to like my job, but it's pointless now.

    What did farm labourers do when tractors came in? or garment makers when their jobs went? Hopefully there'll be new opportunities.



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