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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭Westernview


    How is it not a conflict of inflict of interest?

    Making fools of the listeners and Cooper thinking his opinions aren't compromised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,561 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Well it's ultimately a matter for NK Productions but it doesn't bother me that he didn't mention it. Opinions are like..…

    It's entertainment, at least that's how I view it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,989 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    It wouldn't be a problem if Ivan made it clear what he was doing.

    The fact he was giving his opinions on the candidates while secretly working with the campaign of one of those candidates is a clear conflict of interest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,561 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    That's your opinion but I have a different one. See above.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,989 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,982 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Used to listen to the podcast when it was originally launched and initially found it somewhat interesting to listen to.

    But I really grew tired of Yate's schtick after a while: constantly calling things wrong, making out he's got the inside scoop on everything, thoughtless hot-takes - No, he wouldn't be for me at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,561 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    He has 40 years of political experience so I do think he has his finger on the nations political pulse sometimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,989 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    That pretending to be a neutral observer while secretly working for one of the campaigns is a clear conflict of interest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,561 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    No ones 'a neutral observer'. When did Yates claim to be one?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Sly and underhand from Yates.

    Involved in the dismal failure of two campaigns, kudos to him for that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,069 ✭✭✭antimatterx


    P2P gone woke. They’re refusing to give the subscribers the recorded episode today. I think that’s disgraceful. I disagree with what Ivan did. But withholding content is pathetic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,704 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    No “Ivan is the most trusted man in Ireland” from Mr. Kelly in defence of his client I see. Intriguing.

    The verbiage in Cooper’s statement is interesting, it’s “we” rather than “I”.

    Does this mean Kelly has fired/released Ivan as a client now?

    Was Kelly (as Ivan’s agent) not aware Ivan was working for FF? Ivan often says he doesn’t speak Latin and doesn’t underhand pro-bono, so I wonder is someone’s nose out they were unaware of a commercial venture they weren’t getting a cut of - and is that the real reason for this parting of ways (on the podcast at least)?

    Kelly has lost a lot of clients in the last 2.5 years, is Ivan gone now too?

    Answers on a postcard please…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I think he should set up his own podcast. I think it would get a good audience.

    On the thing about him coaching Gavin, Gavins campaign only lasted a few weeks anyway.

    A big lesson for FF and FG from this is they need to really up their game on social media. The Irish Left, unlike in the US, are dominant in social media.

    I'm somewhat surprised given FGs recent tendency to have young leaders that they were so unprepared for this. Even if you are in your 40s you would have been late teens early 20s when the internet started. You would remember how The Drudge Report started the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Its not like social media is just launching into space or something.

    Post edited by Ozymandius2011 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭Westernview


    What evidence have you that Gavin was only in this for a few weeks? Damaged his reputation and must wish he never went near it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I mean that his campaign only lasted a few weeks. Not that this was his intention at the start



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,444 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    I pay for P2P, really enjoyed it, can’t see it working now without Ivan. Love him or lothe him (he’s like marmite) he was the first person in media I heard say ‘people aren’t far right just because they are worried at what’s happening with immigration’ . Can’t see it working without him, can see myself unsubscribing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I hope something is worked out and he can return. But I'm sure we havent heard the last of him. He is an expert on Irish politics - at least as it was when he was in the Dail. A lot of his political generation though retired especially in FG. Enda Kenny, Michael Ring for example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Ok fair enough.

    But its hard to see how he can go off and do a separate pod when there will now be a suspicion as to the integrity of what he is saying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I think that not only was there a young-old divide in this election, but also a bit of a gender divide too. The person who explains the Ireland Thinks poll says that young men were the main group involved in spoiling their votes.

    Does anyone have exact numbers on that? How did young men break down between voting for Connolly and spoiling their votes?

    Post edited by Ozymandius2011 on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,561 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    'Integrity' LOL

    A couple of political insiders talking Irish politics is primarily entertainment. It's gossip and opinion. I wasn't a subscriber but enjoyed their performance on YouTube.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Here ya go!

    Young men were the most likely group to “spoil” (25%) while young women were among the least likely (8%). It would be very damaging if a political gender divide emerges in that age group when they should be forming life-long bonds. This divide is very evident in Trump’s America.

    But note that older men were the least likely to spoil while middle-aged women were the second most likely.

    A complex picture so beware of media commentators. Credit to Ireland Thinks paper for warning against simplistic analysis

    https://analysis.irelandthinks.ie/who-are-the-people-who-spoiled-their-ballot-and-why/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Yes integrity. Its a basic requirement and Yates betrayed his co workers and listeners.

    Entertainment and integrity can exist together despite you thinking otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,442 ✭✭✭Genghis


    Yates made a huge error, he should've known better. He is untenable to continue.

    Which is why I immediately cancelled my sub. I liked the interplay Yates brought to the podcast, Cooper on his own is too safe (Yates was the sheen, Cooper was Matt, if you will).

    May review when new co-presenter is announced, albeit I suspect someone a different shade of Matt (like Shane Coleman) will be selected.

    Also possible it will be cancelled. After all, when is the next election, the next path to power... 2029, 2030?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Might be an opportune time to take a break but then again it takes time to build a brand and you can lose it quickly too.

    I hope they get a contrarian replacement but they dont grow on trees these days. Its a pity Yates blew it. The pod was the closest thing I could find to Dunphys stand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭jmcc


    This mght come as a bit of a shock to you.but the Internet existed before 2000. The Drudge Report's most successful time, including the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal, was in the 1990s. For most people using the Internet then, it was dial-up access. FF's Social Media game sucked in this election as did FG's game. In the early 2000s, FF used Blue State Digital to advise it on the developing Social Media and online presence. It was the same US company that advised Obama. After the crash, it could not afford it.

    FG had a much more unfortunate experience with early Social Media and its first Social Media "guru" ended up in federal prison in the US. FF's Deirdre of The Sorrows campaign video used in the Dublin Bay South bye-election is legendary for all the wrong reasons. This election was fought and won on Social Media. That's the biggest problem for FF and FG. For a long time, FFG has been criticising SF's Social Media operations without understanding why they are effective. With more younger voters becoming eligible to vote, Social Media is becoming a more importan issue in elections as this one has shown. It has neutralised FFG's advantage with the legacy media by effectively bypassing it. If Connolly had run in 2011 or even 2018, she would not have been elected. There are three reasons: the changed electorate, the decline of FFG, and Social Media.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Also during the Troubles, associations with people associated with militant Republicanism was politically risky. In the 1990s there were ministerial resignations over it, and untrue allegations about her brother damaged Adi Roche's Presidential campaign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Yates is a showman and effectively a shock jock. His political analysis, as with this election was always interesting. Replacing him with Coleman (who is simply not in the same category of political expertise) would be a mistake. It looks like Yates was a victim of FFG's election disaster.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,781 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Yeah be like if the other Second Captains guys got rid of Ken Early. Be left with a few sidekick Simons and no main event…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Let's not be making Yates the victim here. 100% the cause of his own removal.

    He was leaving in January anyway so he wont be looking for any pity.



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