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What is it about Ireland that makes UK retail fail here?

  • 01-11-2025 09:03PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭


    I'm thinking Argos, Wetherspoons (still in Dublin I know), Iceland, and many more. Heatons got took over and my local store is nearly empty now - waiting for the doors to close. Is it Brexit? Are we culturally too different? I miss the aforementioned brands, and think they've left a hole that won't be filled.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,229 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Brexit is a huge part of it now, too expensive and/or cumbersome to import stock from the UK.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,786 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    According to their job ads, River Island refer to their staff as "islander's" and expect them to uphold "British values". Not sure how well either of those go down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭gipi


    People who live within a reasonable driving distance of the border bought up north instead, to avoid the "Paddy tax" charged by the UK stores (where the Irish price was almost always vastly inflated compared to the UK price)

    That certainly contributed to the emptying out of a shopping centre in Drogheda, where all the UK stores closed (some went bust, others just left)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,339 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I think Argos had a time and it did well in Ireland.

    What effected it was the rise in online shopping, they also had a clunky website, they gave up the catalogue and in the UK they do a lot of click and collect in Sainsbury's which wasn't an option here.

    I was never in a Weatherspoons but always found there was a lot of negativity about the place.

    Iceland never really took off in Ireland. I always found the quality to be poor. Then the price after Brexit didn't help.

    Some UK retail has done well in Irealand but others haven't for various similar to the above I mentioned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭blackbox


    Tesco does rather well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭BottomBurp


    Great comments,

    Agree that the online argos experience was poor - yet they do ok in the UK - maybe because it is bigger?

    I genuinely loved Wetherspoons in Cork - they had Punk IPA and decent ales for 3.50 a pint, as well as cheaper food. The place in Cork was ticking over nicely from dawn til closing weekdays and was full all weekend. I thought they were making money.

    I accept your comments on Iceland - they had some great products and then a lot of mediocrity.

    Yet - I think all 3 models should be able to flourish in Ireland, even though the scale is much smaller.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭Anois_


    As was said online shopping finished Argos off.

    Iceland had a lot of really poor food stuff. A dog would probably turn it's nose up at it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,658 ✭✭✭ongarite


    Iceland pulled out of Ireland after a huge food safety, labeling scandal. They were doing every poorly anyway so no loss IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,410 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    The aforementioned Paddy tax. I was in… I can't remember where, but it was a UK shop in Galway, and the price tag was £7/€13. Even if the exchange rate that day "was" that figure, it looks wrong. With a little more effort they could have euro only price tags for Irish stock, which would make the Paddy tax less glaringly obvious. Or just leave the GBP price tag on it and charge euros at the till with that days exchange rate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,148 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Argos just seem to have lost interest, their Irish website was awful and not fit for purpose.

    🙈🙉🙊



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,229 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Once Sainsbury's took them over, I think they lost all interest in the Irish division.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭tampopo


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,475 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Argos… that one’s a mystery. Online is great but there are still lots of purchases people make that can’t wait and which people need immediately…..Blamed high rents but they had over 30 stores here…

    The Omni Park one was close to me and it was always busy. Why not just close the ones that were not making money ? Leave about three or four in Dublin, and a handful scattered near or in the other big population centres ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭goingmadted


    70 mill population versus 5 mill. Work it out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,587 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    I didn't even know Argos et all had closed down . But people were sick of , as mentioned above , the price difference between pounds and euro . Primark were desperate for that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭Anois_




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,587 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Yeah Penny's/ Primark



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 987 ✭✭✭psicic


    The Irish market is often profitable, but also comes with enough difficulties that sometimes it's easier to sacrifice it for their 'core' UK market. I've keenly kept abreast of shops like Iceland and Argos over the years. I had written a huge essay here, but no one has time for my mental, over detailed musings on the topic. My condensed opinion:

    Iceland threw away a very strong market position in 2005 in Ireland in order to bolster its founders reacquisition of control of the company in the UK. By some accounts, his senior management team knew it was a mistake, looks like they tried to undo for real by 2013, but they never regained the momentum and BREXIT trading rules scuppered them.

    Argos was really busy/successful but had some difficult trading years in the UK. Argos Ireland wasn't stupid, had a bunch of plans in the works re updating the website and delivery etc (that was according to someone on a forum that I personally believed at the time, but I understand that's not a citable source). They were probably a bit too slow, but when Sainsbury's bought over Argos, all interest in the Irish stores evaporated. That it took them so long to run it into the ground was a testament to how resilient the store was.

    Sports Direct taking over Heatons was an odd one I personally didn't quite understand. I'm probably not their target demo, but I think they didn't understand the customer base of Heatons and their own brand recognition gaps. I often wonder is it paying off in some other way, like some sort of UK wide stock balancing exercise, is poor performance being masked by online sales, are costs so low they profitable or what.

    Overall, I think BREXIT is certainly a major factor, but not the only one. I think, for example, it would be silly to ignore the personalities of the leadership teams involved in these companies in the UK which can be very strong. Also, they may still be trying to treat their Irish operation like regional UK branches a little too much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,979 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    After their first failure, second time round they bought market leaders in Ireland and developed those businesses.

    Also they are a multinational with shops in Czech Republic, Hungary, and Slovakia, so it is more than a case of just applying the UK approach.

    As for Wetherspoons, they funded Brexit, no self respecting Irish person would go there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭Simi


    Paddy tax was a major one for me personally. We can see the price on the UK site, we know we're getting ripped off! I once drove up to Omagh to buy a lawnmower from Homebase. It was almost 50% cheaper than my local store.

    Amazon played their part in killing off Argos, but as has been mentioned they seemed geneuinely uninterested in their own survival and brexit was just the final nail in the coffin. I'd often check out their sales and without fail all the good deals were out of stock, usually country wide, versus plenty of stock in UK stores.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 570 ✭✭✭chrisd2019




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 96,244 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Argos was taken over by the crowd that owns Sainsburys.

    They closed a lot of the Argos stores to save money in the UK because people could collect at their local Sainsburys.

    There's no Sainsburys here so it was keep all the Argos stores open or none.

    Do Tesco still call us Treasure Island after the German discounters landed ?

    M&S had very few Irish suppliers so were more exposed to Brexit than others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,712 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Why would anyone bother setting up here, anytime a supermarket applies for PP you always get local assholes objecting and dragging the whole thing on for years.

    Seeing this happen now in the 2 towns near me wanting to stop Lidl building 2 new stores.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,156 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Peculiar Irish attitudes to eating or drinking at a Spoons.

    The very same people don't have any problem shopping at uk mega chains Tesco, Boots, M&S, etc. over say SuperValu or home based independents. I guess they got faceless ceos no one thinks about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,246 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Except Tesco but they inherited Quinnsworths customers when they bought their stores. Not sure how many of these stores are still in use. My local Quinnsworth was Tesco for about 9 years then they build a new store elsewhere in the town.

    I think it's about brexit but it depends how well prepared they were for it. Tesco Ireland uses suppliers on the island greater than say Marks and Spencer.

    It also looks like Dealz were better prepared as Irish store closures apparent wont be happening, unlike in the UK.

    I think the chaotic Brexit process persuaded some retailers that it wouldnt actually happen so they didnt prepare for a hard brexit. Then when it looked like a Hard Brexit was coming under Boris Johnson, the issue of preparing was hampered by a failure of that government to engage with British business in how to plan for it or listen to their concerns, like the stupid attempt to force companies to use the UK trademark and ban products using the CE trademark. This would have caused chaos. What eventually happened I think under Rishi Sunak was that they dropped the ban on CE but still introduced the UKCA trademark. Still confusing. Companies have to pay thousands per item for the trademark. So you have items with both CE and UKCA trademarks, and I see many in this country.

    Post edited by Ozymandius2011 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,383 ✭✭✭Ardent


    The market here is too small for some of these business to survive, let alone thrive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,738 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Argos redeveloped their UK website a few years ago but left Ireland with their old clunky one for a couple of years before skedaddling out of here.

    Yes Tesco does very well indeed but they are doing this off the back of the success of Quinnsworth. When they first came here in the 80s they had their arse handed to them.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,639 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Reckless trading like that must be the reason Homebase went belly up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,485 ✭✭✭✭zell12




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,798 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Dealz is Poundland. Some shocking price differences in there compared to our stores.



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