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Random EV Thoughts 2 - The Jimnying

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,133 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    Another reason to avoid VW. Shltty company.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,328 ✭✭✭creedp


    I’m in no way an ‘80% rule’ brand ambassador and I absolutely agree that not adhering to the rule will not cause the battery to collapse. No problem with people considering it a BS rule and if people think it better to charge their car to 100% every day that’s their business.

    However as a driver of older EVs the one thing Id like to minimise is degradation. So if adhering to the 80% rule when it doesn’t impact on my ability to complete a journey slows degradation even minimally I’ve no problem with it

    Obviously people who drive newer EVs or change their car very couple of years will never have to consider degradation, however as EVs age and their batteries naturally degrade, drivers of older and higher mileage EVs might be grateful? Who knows it might make make feck all difference!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 427 ✭✭Ev fan


    I generally charge to 80% for normal routine use. 100% possibly once or twice a month when I'm going on longer trips. The consensus seems to be about 2% battery degradation is expected on average per year under normal use conditions- so it would appear it's not an issue for the vast majority of owners. Maybe as time goes on you will be able to get an annual readout of SOH as part of an annual light service if needed. It would follow that SOH will only become an issue for much older/ high mileage cars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,087 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


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    Not charging and parked far enough across to block the next bay.

    A double prick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,485 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    No excuse on not charging but wide vehicles like a Cayenne don’t really fit in car park spaces that seem to have been designed to fit a Morris Minor.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,087 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    He/She could have moved across another foot on the passenger side. It's just laziness and not giving a shīt about others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,087 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    I'm charging in the other bay and I stayed as far across as possible so someone "might" be able to squeeze in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,485 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Clearly no attempt to consider others for sure. Car park spaces however are generally too narrow for the likes of a Cayenne/Touareg/Q7. Often less than 200mm at each side when parked centrally. Neither driver or passenger doors can be opened enough to get out.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,427 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    This is where I’d love to be driving a beater. And just reverse park my passenger side so close to the jeep that they’d need a can opener to get in!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,087 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Someone had parked a Kona in the space when I came back. They were very tight to me and had run the cable across from where the Porsche "should" have been charging.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 427 ✭✭Ev fan


    I see EV sales are up 38% - 709 units for October versus last year - small numbers given how late it is in the year but positive all the same. I think what is helpful is more choice available especially in the smaller more affordable EV segment of the market. There are a few important small cars to come yet - VW ID Polo/Skoda Epiq/Cupra Raval in Qtr 1? Next year. Audi has yet to decide whether they will offer a small EV. Imagine if Toyota got the finger out and launched an EV version of the Yaris - I think it would sell like hot cakes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,458 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    2022 - 14% EV

    2023 - 18%

    2024 - 14%, market was all over the place with prices etc

    2025 - 18% again by the looks of it as prices have largely, but not fully, settled. PHEVs took a massive jump in 2025 too which is either a good thing or a bad thing depending on your views of them.

    Where are we going in 2026?

    Early adopters with the means to buy new are probably all in an EV by now so the next wave need to be brought on, I know at least 2 that will be in their first EV by end of Q1 26 although 1 will likely be used.

    The nicer cars coming out are in my opinion, EVs, although I do spend more time watching that market than ICE as I am not buying an ICE ever again.

    R5 and inster really only here for 252 plate and missed first half of the year so add those to the VW cars mentioned above amd maybe the Micra/R4 along with so many others it definitely looks like surpassing 20% but will it hit 25% ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 427 ✭✭Ev fan


    As you mention how to get to the next wave to get EVs up to 25% - 1 in 4 cars sold. Completing the full range of new small affordable EVs will undoubtedly help over the next 12 months VW/Nissan/Fiat/Renault etc and possibly some new Chinese makes we haven't seen yet. Toyota could really boost things here but there seems to be nothing from them in the next couple of years. Intro of SS batteries would be a great boost but this looks more likely to be closer to 2030 to get affordable batteries at scale. Semi solid batteries like what's launching with the new MG4 might be an important bridge to increased sales. Other than that, big improvements in charging technology and charging infrastructure might address the ongoing concerns that future potential EV owners continue to have on range etc. Another big win would be to implement practical and acceptable solutions to home charging for all the houses without car park spaces and of course for apartments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭innrain


    I don't think I've seen this one here but I might be wrong.

    https://www.eplanning.ie/LaoisCC/AppFileRefDetails/2560706/0

    Basically another hub @Ballacola it is ZEVI hub with 8 chargers and canopy. I see it is going to be opposite Tesla. I wonder if ESB would remain in place or even ESB would run it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,328 ✭✭✭creedp




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,037 ✭✭✭✭josip


    If they do implement odometer-based taxes like this in the future they should apply it equally to all cars irrespective of fuel type.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,338 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Problem then is you incentivise a diesel Range Rover for driving the kids 2km to school

    It's worth considering that the Irish government has been lowering taxes in every budget except the last one for years now. In fact they shocked everyone this year by demonstrating some fiscal responsibility and not lowering taxes

    This doesn't seem like the behaviour of a government that is losing significant amounts of money from fuel excise

    I also can't help but wonder if the increased VAT revenue from electricity consumption will make up a significant chunk of the income gap

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,370 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i was curious as to whether or by how much your car increases in mass when you charge it; and it does increase in mass.

    for every 30kWh charge you add to it, the mass of the car increases by about a microgram. getting a single fingerprint on the bodywork would add probably ten times as that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,789 ✭✭✭wassie


    Now that is a random EV thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,037 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Either you or I have missed a kilo in our calcs. Would you mind checking my workings to see if I've made the blunder?

    E = mc2

    3,600 kJ * 30

    ----------- = m

    9 * 10 to the 16

    108,000,000

    ----------- = m

    90,000,000,000,000,000

    10.8

    ----------- = m

    9,000,000,000

    m = 1.2 * 10 to the -9

    = ~1 nano grams



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,370 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    To be honest, I didn't do any calculations, I found an article online which claimed to have done the calculations already.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,328 ✭✭✭creedp


    I might agree with your taxation point if public expenditure was actually being reigned it but expenditure is budgeted to increase by nearly 7% over 2025. Fiscal responsibility or simply a good example of the impact of the electoral cycle, ie saving the largesse for the latter years of this administration. No point giving a few bob to the ordinary taxpayer this early, they’ll only forget about it come election day the ungrateful bast*rds



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,370 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/34421/does-the-mass-of-a-battery-change-when-charged-discharged

    that's the one - he estimated approx half a microgram for a 16kWh battery. i rounded it up to 30 to make one microgram.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,338 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Yeah true, I was definitely a bit premature saying fiscal responsibility

    Perhaps "slightly reducing the amount of petrol being poured on the dumpster fire" would be a more accurate description

    In any case, my point is to keep things in context. In the UK the Labour government made some very stupid election promises to not raise income taxes but also to not increase borrowing significantly or cut spending

    Problem for them is they need to start investing in their economy and have painted themselves into a corner, meaning they needs to tinker around with other taxes to plug the gap

    So, back to Ireland, do we have the same problems?

    To some extent, yes, but there's also more breathing room because for now we're kept afloat by corporate tax income

    Our economy is also still growing so while a tax increase is probably off the cards, the government can just not cut taxes and wage growth will naturally increase their tax revenue anyway

    This is not to say everything is fine here, personally I think we're in major stagflation territory where the economy is growing on paper but productivity isn't, so we're just locked in an inflation spiral

    But I don't see an EV tax contributing to either that problem or solution, so I'm not convinced we'll see it here for a few years at least

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,483 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    It's very simple, if they start taxing EVs then the financial incentive to own one starts disappearing, folk will stick with ICE and we are back to square one re Emissions and long term health issues

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,037 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Thanks, mistake on my side. I'd forgotten that the SI unit of mass is a kg and not a g.

    Mr O' Neill would be disappointed with me :(



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,376 ✭✭✭plodder


    What's the deal with towing of EV's nowadays? I was just reading the manual for an EV I'm looking at and it seems as if they can be towed, albeit after a long checklist is obeyed. Unless I misunderstood something …?

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,483 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    If a pro tow truck then they should have dollys and EV can be towed on the ground, but what's the issue with it being on a flat bed?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,376 ✭✭✭plodder


    The manual was talking about it being towed by a rope or tow-bar by another car primarily, so wouldn't be on dollies I presume. Flat bed would be fine obviously.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



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