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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    Suddenly your worldview makes sense SS (heh)….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,132 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    I’m just curious. Which, in your view, is the more significant event. The killing of 1200 people in Israel on October 7th 2023 or the killing of 70,000 people in Gaza since?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,566 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Yes .He is back to mispresenting people's position- and we know why that is. I, at the time of the ceasefire, expressed a forlorn hope it was an end to the carnage, but i highly doubted it would be due to Israel's history of violating ceasefires. As for Sudan, i have not seen that claim made. The UAE is often implicated as one of the main facilitators in fueling the conflict with arms sourced from Britain. Given sheepysheep's absurd line in apologism pointing this is out is probably construed by him an irrational hatred of Britain as a whole rather than a valid criticism of a state policy. I agree there is enough to blame Israel for without the need to invent stuff. The problem of course is sheepysheep doesn't want to hold Israel to account for anything because he lived in Israel , therefore in his mind any and all criticism of Israel is anti semitic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,487 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    October 7th was a sudden and dramatic escalation of an ongoing conflict. 234 Palestinians were killed between January and early October 7th. What do you think was going on there and who killed them? The idea that Oct 7th was something that came out of absolutely nowhere and could not have been predicted is false - the only thing that shocked people was the sheer scale of the attacks and the kidnappings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,566 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Her position reminds me of those in Israel who to this day champion the activities of Irgun and others. They too cite a context- even for things like the der yassin massacre. A man who took part in that tried to minimise that particular event. Says it all really he went on to become a prime minister of Israel.

    With this in mind you being consistent in your condemnation of violence and those who seek to excuse it, denounce such people whether they are Palestinians or Israeli. Which is why you have repeatedly called for the likes of the convicted terrorist Ben Gvir to be sacked from the Israeli government.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,238 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Sebastian Usher of the BBC seems to take a different view on Today’s News at One.

    Basically says Hamas playing for time to improve their position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    Her position is that SHE WORKS FOR THE UN!

    She is a disgrace to the UN and everything that it is supposed to represent.

    She should have been fired years ago! She’s totally undermined the organisation that she is supposed to work for.

    She is a virulent dog whistler for every anti-semitic racist loonbag in the online sphere, a champion of every Jew-hating extremist anywhere.

    It actually has nothing to do with Israel.

    Nobody who conducts themselves in the manner in which she has should be mandated to hold such an privileged position in the UN.

    She had to apologise for reciting anti-semitic tropes before she even got the job for godsakes!

    How did she get the position in the first place?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    You could make the same bull***t argument about 9/11.

    The west was at war with Islam/Al Queda for eons. An attack on US soil was predicted for years. Only the scale was shocking.

    It’s just nonsense.

    OCT 7th changed the course of history. People like yourself trying to downplay the significance of the event are just Hamas sympathisers and nothing else.

    No other group of people makes these type of arguements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    Yes! You’re offended at someone taking the p**s outta Isis, or Hamas.

    God forbid!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,486 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    October 7th changed the course of history for Israel and Palestine, that's it.

    The rest of the world continued on as normal.

    9/11 was different because it directly led to 2 wars and had lasting consequences for the rest of the world.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    Wrong!

    It changed the course of history for Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Hamas, Hezbollah, and maybe in the future, Iran.

    The entire future of the middle east for a lot of significant players has been radically altered by the events of that day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,486 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    What exactly changed ? The fact that Israel keeps firing at Lebanon, Palestine, Iran,… ?

    They did that before October 7th too.

    Hamas lost a lot of people and then in a few months they'll get them back, recruited from an enraged population that has seen their entire lives destroyed by Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,487 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Are you under the impression there was peace and harmony in the West Bank and Gaza in 2023 prior to October 7th? There was constant conflict, shootings and violence and nearly all the killings were of Palestinians - much worse than Northern Ireland at the absolute height of the The Troubles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    What changed?

    Hezbollah opened up a second front.

    Israel decimated them.

    Assad came under pressure from Al Jalani.

    Assad had no Hezbollah to ride to the rescue.

    Regime change in Syria!

    Possibly peace in Syria!

    Hezbollah undermined as a major player in Lebanon.

    Hezbollah forced to accept humiliating peace settlement and disarmament.

    Possible peace in Lebanon for the Lebanese, now free from terrorist Hezbollah.

    Possible ratified border and peace between Israel and Lebanon in the absence of the defunct Hezbollah.

    Hamas defeated in Gaza.

    Hamas forced to accept its own irrelevance in the future of Palestinian/Israeli relation.

    Hamas forced to surrender, disarm, and go into exile.

    Team of technocrats imposed to govern Gaza and the rebuilding.

    Possible future peace between Israel and Palestine.

    Its amazing when happens when the lunatic fringe terrorists are removed from the equation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,486 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Genuinely curious where you get your info because it sounds delusional.

    Hamas is not defeated, will not disarm and won't go into exile. There also won't be peace (maybe you missed that Israel just blew up a few dozen kids).

    Same goes for Hezbollah, they are not defeated at all…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    Sure. Hamas are winning! I keep forgetting. Much glory to the freedom fighters!

    They’ve been routed. They’ve agreed to disarm. Plenty of them will take the option of exile if they have any sense.

    As for Hezbollah, they’re plucked, gutted, seasoned and halfway in the oven.

    I guess you’re just another poster who doesn’t support Hamas or Hezbollah, but merely wish to correct the historical record as to how powerful they remain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,486 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Oh I see, you're just making up stuff that I didn't write.

    I never said Hamas are winning, I just said they are not defeated. There are already images of young kids walking around with rifles and pictures of Hamas leadership. Families of the tens of thousands of dead Palestinians will prove to be a rich ground for new recruits.

    Only the most deluded think they will go away, same goes for Hezbollah.

    Also: They have made it clear they will not disarm: https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hkhtrj3cgx

    https://archive.is/r0bXf

    Again, I have no idea where you are getting your info but it's clearly wrong.

    As for believing that technocrats will rebuild Gaza: I am just going to assume you also believed those AI videos that Trump posted about Trump Gaza.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Gentle reminder @sheepysheep

    If you want to have any credibility at all, post a link to a post where I expressed disapproval and outrage when the ceasefire was announced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,668 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Just heard the Red Cross are calling out Hamas for their nonsense over returning Israeli bodies.

    Guess that now means the Red Cross are Hasbara, child-killing, Genocide lovers.

    Unexpected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Guess that now means the Red Cross are Hasbara, child-killing, Genocide lovers.

    Why... for calling out Hamas? Nah, those in here standing up for international law aren't that binary, dramatic or slanderous in their opinions. Most here probably agree with them. Maybe hard for you to understand that given your posting history.

    Now, if the Red Cross were still shilling on here for Israel two years later, with 20 thousand kids killed, a policy of famine implemented and dozens of declarations of genocide by almost all those tasked with declaring such things, you might have a point....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,336 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Erdogan reminding the German chancellor to his face of his responsibility to protect the Palestinians from extermination by the apartheid state and prevent them from using forced starvation as a weapon against them.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,925 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Horrific attack on Palestinians in the Hebron Hills. Animals were also not spared, with lambs having their eyes gouged out. Israeli police admit this attack happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,486 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Those settlers are absolute scum, genuinely insane people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    When the chosen do this to people it wouldn't surprise me they'd do it to animals..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,210 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The chosen people who were promised over 2,000 years ago that any act they commit, however sick or depraved, they could commit with impunity…. apparantly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    More detail on the Israeli attack. 66 of those killed were women and children.

    More War Crimes.


    About three-quarter of those killed in Israeli strikes in Gaza Tuesday night were civilians, according to statements from the Hamas-run Health Ministry and the IDF. The ministry said 104 people were killed in the attacks, including 46 children and 20 women. The IDF said 26 individual targets were hit, among them nine Hamas company commanders. The Israeli strikes came after Palestinian militants opened fire on an IDF engineering team working near southern Gaza's Rafah, killing one soldier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    More on the Settlers and how the IDF facilitates them in the best way they know how - lying.


    Israeli soldiers on Tuesday used tear gas to disperse Palestinians harvesting their olives in the village of Turmus Aya after settlers arrived at the scene, witnesses told Haaretz.

    An IDF officer was documented claiming during a phone call at the scene that "they're throwing stones at you, shoot the gas. You're allowed."

    Witnesses told Haaretz no one was throwing stones during the harvest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    Young kids walking around with rifles.

    You’re not suggesting Hamas use child soldiers surely.

    Hamas no longer have external supports. They’ll kick and scream, like Hezbollah, and try and make their defeat look and sound like a glorious victory, but they’re a busted flush now, thankfully.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Seems killing civilians takes its toll - unsurprisingly.

    IDF reservists who developed PTSD symptoms during the Gaza war are struggling to reenter the workforce, according to a new study conducted by NATAL – Israel Trauma and Resiliency Center. The study found that roughly half of 1,000 Israelis who received support still have not returned to work or face significant difficulties reintegrating into the workforce, even after extended periods of counseling.


    IDF data provided to the Knesset and obtained by Haaretz showed that 279 Israeli soldiers attempted to take their own lives between January 2024 and July 2025. Of the 279 attempts, 33 were classified as "serious," defined as actions that could end in death or serious bodily injury.



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