Israel/Palestine Thread

Some of the hostages remains are in IDF controlled territory plus heavy machinery is required to recover some of them. Egypt has provided the machinery but I don't believe the IDF has given permission for it to enter the "restricted zone".

And also recall that Turkey offered 85 earthquake retrieval specialists to assist - Israel refused them entry.

I believe Israel knows all of this but it is in their interests to retain this excuse (hostages not returned) to continue their warmongering and Genocide.

As regards Israeli depravity, and as many long term posters are aware, over two years of reporting each one, you'd seriously think that no human being or State could possibly go lower. But then Israel sickened everyone by going at least two levels lower. Then lower again. And again.

The actions they have taken eclipse some of the worst War Crimes of 80 years ago.

There are many many examples - slaughtering scores of their own on Oct 7th under the Hannibal Directive, executing three of their own hostages shouting "surrender" in Hebrew, sniping Nuns, sniping Palestinians carrying white flags, executing World Kitchen staff, executing hundred of journalists, executing 15 medics and burying them and their vehicles in the sand then lying about it, executing starving women and children trying to get food. They even sniped sheep.

But there are three events that to me epitomise the levels of depravity Israel and its military are prepared to go to. They sicken me to my stomach and I'd imagine there are few with the fortitude to not be utterly disgusted…

1. Hind Rajab - trapped in a car with her dead relatives, on the phone to medics pleading for her life for hours. She was shredded by the four crew in a 65 tonne Merkava battle tank. The two medics who arrived to save her shortly after were also shredded.
2. Premature babies in their hospital incubators died after the unit was bombed. The IDF would not allow anyone to collect the bodies for a decent humane burial. When the dead neonates were recovered, they were still in their incubators and badly decomposed.
3. The third event exposes utter inhumanity and depravity. IDF soldiers came across a boy wandering the street. They set their dog on him and he was savaged. He died a few hours later, all alone. He had Down's Syndrome.

On the basis of other conflicts over the years, there will be other evidence uncovered of more Israeli atrocities - we're already seeing returned Palestinian prisoners/detainees (dead) with evidence of torture, hands cable/tied together and worse.

Justice must be done and be seen to be done.

Netanyahu and Gallant must be arrested and taken to The Hague to be tried. If found guilty, punishment must be swift and severe.

Israel must face the ICJ for the crime of Genocide. The ICJ cannot punish - only judge. But if they find that Israel committed Genocide, the world will see that justice has been done. Israel will wear that stain forever.

If all the above gives you any discomfort @Brendan Bendar, I have the world's smallest violin ready for you.

Israel is not even trying to hide what they are doing. Bombing the homes of innocent people just in order to kill and Gazan at all. Netanyahu is just showing what a despicable b***ard he truly is.

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2025/1028/1540904-israel-gaza/

Hamas breaks ceasefire and shoots at Israel yet you're asking me to blame Israel for it's response. It's a bit of an odd position to take. I've never said Israel were perfect but war is messy and war in built up areas where your enemy uses its own people as shields is even messier. Show me a war anywhere in the world were one side got everything right.

Absolutely both sides will lie, that is human nature.

But that doesn't mean that both sides are morally or ethically equal.

Israel vastly outweighs Hamas in terms of resources, access and support and yet it has been proven to lie extensively and repeatedly. All while claiming to be the most morally upright war participant in history. That is patently not true.

And it denies that which there is clear evidence of such as them using people as human shields, the mistreatment of prisoners, the holding of people as hostages etc etc.

And also, we've seen plenty evidence from Israeli hostages which speak of having been well treated by their Hamas captors. Not all of them, sure, but a significant number have told stories that directly counters the narrative pushed by Israel and its supporters. How many Palestinian captives have we seen who even appear to be healthy not to mind what they have said about their time in captivity.

Both sidesing this is ignoring the vastly different footing by which they are both involved in the conflict, not to mention the fact that one side is supported so much by the West and as such many of us are in societies which are tentatively enables to their actions and so it is the minimum we can do to call them out for what they are doing.

It's because the IDF said they were fired upon.

Just like they said a five year old girl in a torn apart car full of the bodies of her dead relatives was "a threat". And the two medics who came to save were equally "a threat". And the Down's syndrome boy was "a threat". And the 15 medics were "a threat".

The IDF are inveterate liars. The press are forbidden in Gaza. It's the perfect setup to continue the Israeli Gaza Genocide.

I know the ICC has refused to "rescind" the arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant. Whilst they may not be arrested, their world is now very very small.

Duterte thought he'd never be arrested. Now's he's rotting in The Hague. There are enough Israelis who despise Netanyahu that it isn't beyond the realms of possibility he'll end up in The Hague. Not sure about Gallant - he's gone underground.

The ICC are also looking at other case files too - there could be more arrest warrants for Israelis.

The ICJ will hear the Genocide case - there is no doubt of that. They will decide whether Israel has committed Genocide in Gaza. So far, the ICJ have ruled against Israel in all recent cases because of the mountains of evidence - illegal occupation, denying UNWRA access etc.

Given their finding that the SA case was plausible well over a year ago coupled with the additional absolute evidence since, especially forced starvation, it's a slam dunk that Israel will be found to have committed Genocide.

I believe justice will be done - it will take time. But it will happen.

Regardless, the world already knows what Israel is - a Pariah. No-one wants anything to do with a Genocidal state. People are disgusted by the horror and violence they have perpetrated and continue to perpetrate on innocent civilians. Israel are being and will continue to be shunned by the world's public.

Some are of course holding out and still defending the indefensible. Their arguments are null and void. Anyone that starts a sentence with "Israel isn't perfect but…" has already lost the argument. No-one is perfect but that doesn't validate Genocide and War Crimes.