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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,908 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    …and yet here is a list of parties who have tried to make Immigration their key focus:

    • The National Party
    • The Irish Freedom Party
    • Renua (after John Leahy quit as leader)
    • The Irish People
    • Ireland First
    • A whole host of independents who ran on immigration platforms

    Between all of them the only elected officials were a handful of councilors in last year's local elections.

    I'm not saying that a break-through is impossible but nobody has hit on that secret sauce that'll make this politically palatable for a wider Irish audience yet.

    Personally, I think it's because most of those parties that tried to make migration their key focus also seems to be obsessed with Abortion. That topic is election kryptonite. Yes I know that 1/3 of the population voted against the referendum in 2018 but that does not necessarily mean that those people prize that subject over everything else. Most of them were probably older people who continued to vote FF/FG in subsequent elections no matter what.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,443 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    A breakthrough will be very difficult unless they can turn at least two sitting TDs to lead their group. At the moment no independent looks like party leadership material.

    All of those parties you identify all suffer from the same issues: being tied to abortion, which has to be considered settled at least for an election cycle as there is zero appetite in the mainstream to reopen it and secondly a lack of credibility both individually and collectively.

    I think leadership on the right will come from FF who have been having an identity crisis for years under Martin. Lots of their rural grassroots would sit there socially at least and would be comfortable with sorting out asylum which has become a racket. I think the next leader will shift them slightly into that space to test the reaction.

    Someone credible is going to try to claim that space at some point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Final turnout was 45.8%.

    The Red C and Ipsos Mori polls turned out to be accurate.

    1 in seven votes spoiled.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Well Aontu is somewhat in favour of tighter controls on asylum, MrMusician. Also some Independents are tougher on it too. Remember Cllr Noel Thomas was kicked out of FF for speaking out. He was II candidate in Galway West last time.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,406 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I saw a comment on bluesky that HH seemed content with her loss. Perhaps she was, if she was pressured into running for the role.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,174 ✭✭✭Field east


    is there also a group out there that wants to give the gov a ‘ kick in the teeth ‘ anyway ( would be anti establishment no matter what) and do’nt need a reason other than that. ??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,174 ✭✭✭Field east


    did Steen not state during the canvassing that she respects the nations decision on the same sex marriage and abortion issues and now see the matters as closed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,781 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    somebody endorsed by spoil the vote will have to run in the Galway west by election if the movements energy will not just dissipate. Ganley is the obvious one but could his ego handle the risk of trailing in ninth?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,184 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    A substantial group Mr F, and this was the perfect opportunity.

    A confirmed lefty against a half hearted FINE GAELER, The other Govt party in disarray, No fear that the 'lefty alliance' would have to go into power and actually implement stuff, the perfect storm in other words.

    Its quite simple really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭MFPM


    The religious right represented by Ganly/Toibin etc definitely have to put their money where there mouth is, you cannot make absurd statements like 'Steen would have won' and then not stand in a by-election.

    There's little prospect of that by-election this side of the Spring so they have loads of time to prepare, let's see if they can make better use of that time than they did of the 7 years they sat on thier hands and then whined when they couldn't get Steen on to the ballot paper in 2 weeks.

    Ganly is the obvious candidate but as you say does he want to suffer another electoral defeat?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,871 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Galway West will never ever elect a blow-in like Ganley. Especially not a religious nut.

    In terms of the immigration question, Independent Ireland already have a candidate in place who came 6th last time out (Thomas).

    My guess would be II or FG to take that seat. Possibly an unknown SF candidate.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,177 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    The far right folks never paid attention in civics, they haven't a clue how all this works😀

    Funniest one i read was it was all a stitch up and the establishment got the president they wanted 😀

    No they didn't!😀😀😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,438 ✭✭✭almostover


    Is that not a bit of a hollow victory in one way for the 'united left'? Lose one of the best opposition TDs in the Dáil to the presidency, where she is somewhat censured, and end up creating a larger mandate for the current government?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Minor point: It is Ipsos-B&A. Ipsos bought the B&A pollster a few years ago. B&A used to do the polling for the Sunday Times.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,871 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Part of me always wanted Connolly to stay in the Dail especially with a higher profile after the election but I am so proud she won and will be there for 7 years.

    If you ever watch Dail Questions you will notice that Martin/Harris never actually answer the question. They just spoof and wind down the clock. And they are rarely if ever working on any transformative legislation. It will be the same lack of leadership for the next 4 years until they roll out more housing lies, fake promises and giveaway budgets. Connolly won't miss much and there are excellent women leaders (Cairns, Bacik, McDonald) to try and keep the 2 clowns honest.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Also worth noting that single-issue politics has never worked in Ireland.

    You just need to look at previous General Elections for proof of that. None of the anti-immigration candidates made a dent, while Renua were wiped of the face of the Earth, to the point that they've gone down the clown conspiracy route.

    If any of these candidates want to get elected, they need to be able to stand for something more and have clear plans on how to tackle housing (and just blaming immigrants doesn't work), how to address infrastructure deficits and the cost of living.

    People can jump up and down all they want, but those are the biggest issues facing every single voter in Ireland today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,184 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Cairns, Bacik,and McDonald !

    Champaign socialists….did you crack open a flagon of Buckfast or sommit?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,184 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭tarvis


    Catherine Connolly was very impressive in the Dail - both in her speaking and in her position as Leas Ceann Comhairle.
    She is streets ahead of most our public reps in sticking to the topic in hand with no waffle.
    I am sure she will do Ireland proud as President but many in the Dail must be heaving a sigh of relief - not to be so thoroughly shown up on a regular basis.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The latest RedC poll (via Gavan Reilly on X) won't make for pleasant reading among FFers this morning. The SocDens decision to back Connolly first with Labour only jumping on the Connolly bandwagon seems to have benefited the SocDems rather than Labour.

    POLL: Business Post/Red C(October 16-21, MoE 3%)

    Sinn Féin 23 (+2 in six weeks)

    Fine Gael 19 (+1)

    Fianna Fáil 17 (-1)

    Social Democrats 9 (+2)

    Ind Ireland 5 (-1)

    Labour 4

    Aontú 4 (+1)

    PBP-Solidarity 3 (-1)

    Greens 3Inds/others 12 (-1)

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,565 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    As I see it the winners are CC (of course) and HH (gets to go back into retirement). The losers are Jim Gavin who will be remembered as the guy whose campaign imploded and MM who picked him for a job he was completely unsuited for. At least FG have the excuse of unforeseen circumstances in the withdrawal of MMcG and that they've never won a Presidential election in the past so nothing's changed.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,406 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    does the chronology of when parties chose to back candidates really make any difference though? how many people have become more likely to vote socdem rather than labour because of the timing of their endorsements?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Champagne socialists.

    Anyone who thinks any of the above are in anyway socialists hasn't a clue.

    It's incredible that people are so opposed to any kind of progression that they have to throw out terms like socialists to undermine the politics of the centre-left. Shows just how frightened they really are of a little bit of change.

    Meanwhile, if I was to describe fascists as fascists I'd be labelled all sorts by the same people. 'Intolerant' etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    MM saying the nomination system may need to be revisited.

    An Irish Times poll recently found 55% wanted it reformed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,565 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    The 'centre left' are in power. The 'centre left' in opposition promise more because that's what opposition parties do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭eastie17


    those polls don’t matter a damn until it’s closer to an election.

    Sitting TDs are just worried about their place in the world which right now, 3 to 4 years out from a GE is their current job, either getting one, keeping the current one or getting another.

    The person with the power to decide those is the leader of their party so don’t expect any boat rocking for the next few years. Only thing that will take down MM or SH is some sort of personal or illegal scandal.

    A year out and it’s a different story, if the parties are low in the polls then the TDs will start being worried about re-election, and then if there is a viable alternative emerging who might improve their chances of being elected then MM or SH are toast.

    FG in particular puzzle me, I don’t understand the logic of having Varadkar or Harris as leaders, they don’t really resonate with anyone, young or old. MM is FF old stock so there’s probably a large percentage of party faithful and the general public who can relate to him. He’s still not a good leader, the decisions around this election show that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Wrong. FF/FG won just 42.7% of the vote in 2024 (21.9 + 20.8), down from 43.1% in 2020 (22.2% + 20.9%).

    2020 and 2024 were the worst ever results for FG. They managed to add 3 seats in 2024 having lost 15 seats in 2020 but that was because there are now an extra 14 seats in the Dáil.

    No wonder Leo jumped ship! And no wonder Heather retired "exhausted" and campaigned in apology mode because no one couldn't come up with a single worthwhile achievement from her 10 years in Cabinet (please don't say 1916!)

    Of course the Greens, without whom there would have been no referendums, were annihilated.

    Satisfaction with the government is just 31%, lower than at any time since the Troika, and there is no hope for improvement unless FF/FG address their own failings. And not with another bogus "we must communicate better" conclusion.

    Let them chew on this for starters

    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-style/people/2025/10/25/john-collison-of-stripe-ireland-is-going-backwards-heres-how-to-get-it-moving/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,565 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    He’s still not a good leader, the decisions around this election show that.

    He led them out of the wilderness of 2011 and 13 years later they were the largest party in the Dáil.

    So he made a mistake in picking JG, big deal.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    I think maybe the large percentage of spoiled votes just represents mostly the disillusioned centre-left who didn't feel they could support FG (particularly a recent ex-Minister supported by a toxic negative campaign) and weren't comfortable voting for someone with as extreme views as Connolly.

    I don't think there's any doubt that immigration issues and events around that has played a part. But recent enough elections show that even with lots of noise around that issue and related anti-establishment topics, these people rarely make the effort to vote. A low-ish turnout seems to say they didn't change their ways and suddenly appear at the polling stations. But the centre-left does usually vote, and outside the spoiled Steen votes and ones with explicit comments, I think that may be a fairly large cohort.



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