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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Was asked in the polling station when I was just there and they were told if you put any mark in just one candidates box, it will be counted. Any more than that and it's spoiled.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Well sure, this is why I'm not really worried about the Council of State or signing bills or whatever. That is all a fait accompli essentially.

    Enforcement on statements etc is basically impeachment which is a very high bar and isn't going to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    One possibility for this President is that a distinguished member of the Council of State speaks out against her in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Only one candidate in court for something she said.

    And when they had to ring the German Ambassador for something she said he didn't even remark on the Nazi parallel we were all told here she was making.

    If a foreign government thinks she is advocating or voicing a 'policy', not hard to tell them she isn't.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    If a foreign government thinks she is advocating or voicing a 'policy', not hard to tell them she isn't.

    That is already a problem. As someone who advocates "using our voice" so nauseatingly much, CC is very aware that words are policy in foreign affairs. It is also, quite obviously, a massively different matter when a backbench opposition TD says something stupid vs when the President says it.

    Anyway, some people think she will back off all her controversial statements and become a purely constitutional president and some think she only went for the job to spout off. Time will tell.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 278 ✭✭Pat734


    Jeepers, I wouldn't have thought that. GAA in all of the country is big regardless of what others might say. Sean Kelly was President of the GAA in one of its high profile votes, and was all over the media both written and TV/Radio for years. I'd have thought he would have been a shoe in if he was the candidate instead of Heather, but if FF's runner was Kelleher v Kelly and Connolly then there would have been some battle and Connolly wouldn't have got a smell of the Áras.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    that words are policy in foreign affairs.

    But anyone who understands our presidency would know they aren't policy. It's why there were no gunboats sent when MdH spoke.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,803 ✭✭✭hometruths


    I find it extraordinary how so many people are worried that the choice of Connolly of President is a dangerous one because she is likely to have an antagonistic relationship with the government, most of whom have spent the last three weeks smearing the bejaysus out of her.

    A good relationship between any parties, needs all parties to play nicely.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    There were no gunboats sent when the EU backed up to the hilt in Brexit either. You have a very bizarre view of what foreign policy actually is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,652 ✭✭✭Fann Linn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,413 ✭✭✭corkie


    For a clearly deliberately spoiled vote it is an easy process but any accidently spoilt ballots will be scrutinized to see what intentions of the voter may have been.


    A further unknown is the impact of the spoil the vote campaign. Spoiled voters were about 18,000 in the last two elections but the poll suggests it could be much higher this time, perhaps as high as between 70,000 and 80,000. Among other things, that would delay the first count significantly, as every individual spoiled vote has to be scrutinised. ~ Irishtimes archive.ph

    That's why I made my ballot obvious that it was for the 'Dummy'/'Idiots'/'illiterate' pile for analyses months later.

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,568 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Tell me you don't understand how diplomacy works without telling me you don't understand how diplomacy works.

    The decisions made will not be in public. The ability of Ireland to build coalitions within the EU will be affected. The attitude of the US administration will be harsher in private. All of those have knock-ons, we don't want to end up the way Hungary are seen within the EU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,568 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Anyway, some people think she will back off all her controversial statements and become a purely constitutional president and some think she only went for the job to spout off. Time will tell.”

    They may wish to reconsider…she already has her “licence” to say what she wants in place:


    Article 12.8 of the constitution


    https://m.facebook.com/watch/?v=1433261777901112&vanity=catherineconnollyforpresident



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,866 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    CC is not a government shill and that’s all HH is. The dirty tactics of smear and fear was absolute desperation by the government. Iconically out of fear! A shameful campaign, but at least the mask has fallen some more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭MFPM


    The CC haters here, having now accepted defeat have moved from disingenuous and at times false narratives akin to the centrist media aimed at underming CC to now speculating on her conduct as President.

    She hasn't taken up office and already the council of state is being cited - Bertie Ahern maybe!

    If the electorate would only behave and know their place and elect centrist, pro NATO, pro one version of the EU and don't be electing anyone who dares to have a different vision or opinion.

    The Trumpian echoes are indeed strong...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭PixelCrafter


    That's an EXTREMELY alarmist position. Diplomacy goes on behind he scenes between members of the diplomatic corps and line ministers usually, not the president.

    Also Ireland's position on things like NATO is long established and is what it is, and has significant public support, despite the changes in Europe's security situation vis a vis Russia - at most the government has been taking a pragmatic, case by case kind of approach to a lot of these things.

    We're certainly never going to be seen like Hungary - they're literally a wandering down the road of anti-democratic authoritarianism, and there's literally no possibility of that here at all. The critique of our defence positions are usually seen more in the sense of being overly 'hippy dippy', very over optimistic, idealistic and perhaps lacking much of a grasp of the reality of what other countries, particularly further east in the EU actually face. Other than a few mad Tories, there's no real focus on Ireland at all, but when it is brought up, it's more so that we're off on the island off in western fringes living in a very geographically lucky position. There's probably more of a sense of Ireland lacking solidarity and grasp of reality than anything hostile. We're certainly not seen as pro-Russian, if anything we're usually seen as far too close to the US and even the UK by some of our EU allies, but not in a military kind of way, more economically and culturally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,704 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    I spoiled my vote.

    The whole election process has been a farce, no nominees either through the council and oireachtas route and then a candidate with a skeleton in his closest that wasn't fixed prior to being nominated when it easily could have been.

    Whole process has just shown how much contempt the political parties have for the voting public. I wouldn't have voted for Maria Steen or Gareth Sheridan but they should have been put on the ballot seeing as they campaigned to be on it. Ireland is supposed to be a democracy so just allow them on the ballot and let the people make up their minds about them themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    We are now seen as naive, and given that many of Europe's vulnerabilities lie off our Western coast, that naivety is increasingly seen as a significant risk and threat to European security.

    If Russia cannot fight its way through Ukraine, it is seen as unlikely to reach Berlin, however, their submarines wander freely within our territory.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,791 ✭✭✭pureza


    The vote in my house this time,in what is a staunch republican and catholic household came down to just one thing in the end,which of the two believes in god as our constitution does and we voted accordingly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,652 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    And that would be the fault of the two major parties who have been in power alternatively and together since the formation of the state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,887 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Hopefully the President of the EU Commission will release those text message now that the New York Times won their case.

    Pfizergate - Wikipedia

    But hey, you can worry about Reds under the bed for the next 7 years…

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭PixelCrafter


    I don't want to derail the thread - but being seen as naive does not equate to being seen like Hungary - what we've largely done is assume the most optimistic outcomes of all potential scenarios and have done very little to bolster our own neutral defences. None of that is going to really be impacted negatively or positively by the president. It is what it is and is reflective of Irish public opinion on the topic too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    To be fair to them, they are the ones making the noises about dropping the Triple Lock and taking part in European defence.

    It is the others who are prolonging the naivety.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,350 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    To be fair, three candidates were selected through the Oireachtas route.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    end up the way Hungary are seen

    😁 that escalated quickly.
    Even if she loses the race, it will be by a narrow margin and down to the vagaries of turnout. Your scaremongering since the candidate announced has totally failed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,652 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Making noise has most of our naval fleet tied up in Haulbowline.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Conor McGregor, Bob Geldof and Michael Flatley also campaigned to be on the ballot. None of them deserved it either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    That's quite a naive view. A vast array of undersea Data cables lie completely unprotected off our West Coast and have been regularly and clandestinely mapped and surveyed by Russian Submarines, undersea ROV's and marine Signals Intelligence gathering ships from the Russian Navy.

    Only a few months ago, a notorious Russian "Oceanic Survey Vessel", the Yantar, decided to stop engines and loiter over the exact spot where these Data Cables run towards their landfall position on the coast, and there was absolutely nothing we could do about it.

    A report on our vulnerability last year hypothesised that Russia may have pre-positioned the means to cut the cables should they deem it necessarily depending on how much pressure they are under.

    Meanwhile, Russian aircraft regularly fly down our west coast with their transponders off, leaving it to the RAF to come and chase them away.



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