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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭liamtech


    TBH im probably going to switch off from this election. Iv posted numerous times about this being invalid, but the case is contually being made. Im in a crazy situation here. I am totally against CC for president due to her radical foreign policy stance. But I cant endorse a smear, and have spoken against it. Im going to link a couple of posts i made, and you are welcome to disagree, and by all means criticize me. To be fair, the election is over at this stage! I dont mean any disrespect but Iv argued about this so much! - il link some of my thoughts below for your consideration

    And obviously your entitled to your position, and i respect that

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    This isn't really true. Someone on middle income will get proportionally more from a tax credit based system than either a higher wage earner or a low wage earner - the former because the high wage earner is basically just avoiding a small amount of lower band tax they pay and the latter cause they don't really pay much/any tax at all in the first place. The tax credit doesn't keep rising with income - the amount you get back from it basically maxes out at a relatively middling wage.

    High wage earners in Ireland get no real benefits or tax breaks. People below the median wage in Ireland actually have a very low tax burden and people above ~150k have a very high one by European standards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Not just anti-EU, she's pro-Brexit and anti-American. Should disqualify her but voters don't seem to care. Why FG, the party of the Law Library, focussed on her work as a barrister is a mystery.

    In contrast, if someone in a shopping centre had claimed the government was "doing nothing for the disabled" and HH had not walked away but just pointed out that spending on disability has increased by almost 60% in the past two years alone, that would have killed HH's campaign stone-dead. The fact that it was true would only aggravate her offence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Ok im not entirely sure how that is the case? Surely the high wage earner gets AT LEAST the maximum amount of tax back, as to the applicable bracket? Do they NEED this?

    TBH the policy is only being rolled out this coming year, but it is the preffered method for FFG - and i view it as unfair; everything is relative, and the 'small' amount which a high earner gains back, may be 'small to them' - would it not have been fairer to optimize the system so as to benefit the more needy in society? They promised to target the system, but as far as i can see, they havent

    Anyway - its all just my opinion

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I guess they just thought it might stick after all her other gigantic red flags were ignored. Some on the left were more than happy to go against Guards just doing their job when it came to repossessions. It is a slight bizzarro world when you have the likes of Paul Murphy suddenly caring about the minutiae of the legal system.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    I thought it was Scottish TV public relations. Well I never.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Unlike many here, Paul Murphy qualified in Law. Humphreys made those comments on RTE and David McCullagh had to cover for RTE's liability. She should have apologised and not let it become an election issue.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Didn't stop him taking swipes at Guards helping out with repossessions though did it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,096 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Looks like the media have accepted defeat for their candidate, in fairness Mary, Pat, Justine, Harry, John, Jack, etc tried their best…but thankfully there seems to increasing resistance to their framing of issues.

    HH/FG are going to lose and lose big.

    Unfortunately, some of the absurdity continues here, 'anti American', 'anti Eu' etc....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Caquas


    You deny she’s anti-EU? What a fake!

    You deny she’s anti-American? She never tires of criticising NATO I.e. America’s defence of Europe against Putin.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Where were you when I needed you @MFPM !!

    I was fighting honorably on behalf of the left in this country, against right wing fiscal policy and market capitalism!! Alone, surrounded and outnumbered! Your here now though - phew😃

    Joking aside, yes i suspect the election is over. And the smear proved pointless, id say CC is going to win, without reaching the quota, no second count necessary. There was a hint of concession from HH on the six one news.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭jmcc


    He is taking an action for defamation against Humphreys. As for his comments on Guards and reposessions, he is a politician and was playing to his electorate.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭PixelCrafter


    When it's run for a single seat it's actually not quite PR-STV, it's so called Instant Run-Off Voting (IVR).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,096 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Unfortunately, job and kids place many demands, I've just read through some of the nonsense...won't someone please think of the high earners over 150K, life is just so unfair!! Trump being served up too....



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I am fully aware of what he is doing.

    My point is that I imagine FG thought the message about CC's work for repossessions might hit home because the underestimated the brazen hypocrisy of those who would attack people for lawfully aiding repossessions a few years ago then turn around and determine that actually such work is sacrosanct.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,096 ✭✭✭MFPM


    What does anti-EU mean?

    As for your friend and ally Trump, park the emerging domestic neo-fascist activities that you seem content to overlook...His 'America' is financing a genocide in Gaza. The 'EU' you laud has today agreed that Russian assets should be used to re build the parts of Ukraine affected by the war, Zelensky argued 'some' of it should be used for 'humanitarian' reasons but the priority was 'buying' weapons from their backers...military industrial complex and all that...

    Yesterday, the EU suspended the very belated and extremely limited moves to sanction Israel - and at this time there are no calls for Isreal to pay for the flattening of virtually every inch of Gaza......the civilian death count in Gaza is multiples of Ukraine....not to mention the starvation etc that 'America' stood over...

    Irrespective of your politics this is wanton hypocrisy by the EU, and the NATO alliance in defence of the NATO proxy Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Thanks. Couldn’t have exposed her worldview better myself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,096 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Your response confirms my point, for that alone be thankful, you've made one meaningful contribution to this discussion....Well done!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Ever watch the movie "All The President's Men"? There's an apt quote from the Mark Felt character that describes FG's campaign:

    "Forget the myths the media's created about the White House. The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand."

    FG needed to be positive about what Humphreys offered. Instead, it spent most of its time attacking Connolly because that played well with FG supporters. The reality is that Humphreys needed more than just the votes of FG supporters to win.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,641 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    CC has it in the bag.

    When JG pulled out of the race he wrecked HHs chances of winning, thereby handing the presidency to CC on a platter. He has also very possibly doomed the leaders of both FF and FG.

    I can't think of anyone else who has had such a big effect on Irish politics in such a short space of time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭jmcc


    A very good point. Had FF run a real candidate instead of Martin's mini-me, FF (Kelleher) would still be depending on FG transfers from Humphreys. Kelleher would probably have won against Humprheys. Gavin had a major effect on the election but it was Martin's ego and the incomptence of Harris and his clique that has damaged FF and FG. The first post-election opinion polls on party support will be interesting.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Straight from playing dumb (what does anti-EU mean?) to a nasty, baseless smear ("your friend and ally Trump"). Congratulations, you are Catherine's perfect mouthpiece.

    Bonus points for the speedy flip from "emerging neo-fascist activities" to "genocide in Gaza". Oh, but then you show that you do know what anti-EU means - "military-industrial complex"!

    As I said, and as you illustrate so convincingly, CC is anti-EU, anti-American and far to the Left of the Irish people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,807 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I love when people say its "in the bag."

    We only need 1 in every 5 of Connolly voters to think exactly that tomorrow and not bother actually voting, and she'll be effed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,641 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    Ivan Yates is going to have egg on his face on Saturday as well. He might be unpopular with FG from now on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,641 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭jmcc


    This election and his comment will actually help present him as someone with a major effect on Irish politics. It will probably even get subscribers for the Paths To Power podcast. He is a lot smarter than the people FG used for this election and some of his comments seem a bit edge lordish and intended to attract attention. His political analysis is quite good.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,803 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Indeed, and she used it to her advantage to run rings around media and FG on the subject, successfully shifting the focus and the line of attack from the tough questions re signing convicted terrorists into the Dail where she was on thin ice, to the nonsense hysterical questions about her clients as a barrister where she even had the Minister for Justice defending her.

    HH, FG and the media couldn't see what was right under their nose, she played them like fools, and for that alone deserves her victory.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Ivan Yates was already unpopular with FG and has nothing whatsoever to do with them or this campaign. Not that anyone seemed to care about that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,205 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    Similar for HH. Probably lots of HH voters thinking what's the point, CC has is it in the bag. Or is it only CC voters who may not be arsed in the end?



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  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,803 ✭✭✭hometruths


    FG's current strategy is to hope/need 20% of Connolly voters to stay at home so Humphries might have a chance?!

    Quite the come down from ten days ago when you seemed pretty confident it was "in the bag" predicting a 60/40 win for Humphries and the rest of us were too thick to understand it!



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