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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,890 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Ah come on. How many barristers fundamentally agree with murders, assaults, robberies, fraud?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Ridiculous.
    Legal system would fall apart overnight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    In America they have something called a Public Defender, which is provided by the state of they can't afford a lawyer. Maybe introduce something like that, but also for conscience reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Overly simplistic and binary as usual from you.

    Culling hasn't worked...4K killed in 1st cull in 1995, 55K in 2022...ironically culling may increase the population.

    Animal rights groups have argued for other strategies to be tried, fencing, fertility control, habitat management etc. The State as so often, responds lazily and cheaply - imagine being strategic!

    Lastly, the 'destruction' you mention is also overblown and debatable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭rock22


    The American legal system is as far from justice as you can get. Please don't suggest we should copy anything from that system.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You want to fix something that wasn't broken until FG decided to use it as a smear for a few votes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The problems over there are more on the judicial and prosecutorial side, and extremely harsh sentencing for non violent crimes. It's not so much on the defence side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭liamtech


    We are on the same page with valid criticisms of CC and her policies. But on this one, i must totally disagree

    • Everyone is entitled to representation. From the most vile murderer, to a corrupt executive at the top of the societal ladder.
    • Barristers will be assigned cases, as they come up. Unless there is a serious conflict of interest (related to victim, related to defendent/client) - they should take these cases
    • Allowing barristers to pick and chose, weakens the system. Certain high profile clients may be refused representation, based on public perception
    • If this continued, public perception would become a serious consideration in 'choosing' who receives legal representation, and who remains in line waiting to be represented.
    • Criminals could justifiably appeal convictions based on the real possibility that an assigned barrister did not offer credible counsel, due to public perception, and their not wishing to have been associated with a case.
    • If this is taken seriously, then a precident exists for the media to enquire with all future TD/MEP/Councillors who campaign for election, and who previously served as barristers. Who did they represent in criminal and civil cases. Why did they take these cases, why did they plead not guilty for this or that client. This has the real ability to drag our legal system into the party political landscape.

    Its just plain wrong, and in my opinion it is a desperate smear campaign. We could debate for hours on CC's foreign policy, and position on Europe; it is valid to do this, and we are entitled to ask questions of Connolly on the basis of her policy.

    Who she represented in any legal case is irrelevant.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,320 ✭✭✭sporina


    I find this whole campaign uncivilised.. I don't think MD Higgins or either of the Marys would conduct themselves like the 2 current candidates

    Politics has really gone from bad to worse



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,458 ✭✭✭almostover


    I actually fully agree with you. My point was that FG missed the mark totally with this barrister angle and it has backfired.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,458 ✭✭✭almostover


    I agree with you fully, was just pointing out that FG had the totally wrong angle on this. They weren't focusing on the hypocrisy of the situation, just on the fact she represented the banks in repossession cases.

    But yes, it is a positive that CC could do her job as a barrister while being political opposed to what was going on with respect to home repossessions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,890 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Catherine Connolly has not attacked Humphreys once. It's notable in her campaign. She never interrupted her either. All the dirty politics has come from Fine Gael.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Connolly pointing out to a Humphreys on the attack that she didn't try to capitalise on the Farrell case was a significant moment in the debate last night.

    HH and FG's sleazy desperation to get a point shown up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I hope the press continue digging into the unanswered questions after the election. When you actually hold power, and the presidency has a little, it needs to be held to account.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,488 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Others have said this already, but I can't think of anything negative coming from Connolly or her campaign. It's all been 1-sided from FG…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Wonder if it will have a question of how the parties handled their campaigns? Hopefully the sample period for the poll covered the Primetime debate.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭jmcc


    She had to appear and act presidential. She did that well. As for FG, the only thing it did with its campaign was to confirm its reputation as some kind of Nasty Party. The SocDems (the Nice People's Party) did well out of this and even Bacik's position in Labour seems a lot stronger against the Alan Kelly types due to Connolly's campaign being so effective.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,701 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It will be quite awkward when Harris becomes the next Taoiseach and looks for the presidential thumbs up for himself and his cabinet from the president that he smeared in the run up to the election



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,914 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    What random people say on the internet cannot be controlled by CC.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Most of the Irish media will not do this because it will remind people that they got a lot of stuff wrong. The "yesterday's news tomorrow" business model has been blown away by the 24 hour news cycle and Social Media. The Irish media will follow whatever story is popular. This election will have reminded some of them, particularly the opinionators, that it is not their position to tell people what to think. Apart from The Ditch, the only publication to come out of this election with a somewhat enhanced reputation is the Indo. That's because it got the scoop on Gavin and ended up getting Gavin to drop out.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Populist movements, being anti Establishment, tend to accuse their critics of smearing their leaders eg Trump. In the case of CCs defenders, is this just populism, or is the criticism unfair?

    I think the criticism of hiring the woman with gun convictions is absolutely legitimate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,523 ✭✭✭creedp


    Ah cmon repossessions are far more serious than ordinary decent murders



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭mikep


    No, it won't.

    It will be the usual smiles and handshakes for the official pictures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Field east


    ’Barristers take the case they are given ‘ . I am not a barrister, legal advocate nor have I did any course/ training in relation to law. But if common sence, freedom to choose what work you will take on, etc, prevails then if CC was totally on the side of those who a bank is trying to evict because of her moral compass or whatever then I fail to see why she could not find a reason to refrain from taking on such work ie representing a bank in a court case to do with the repossession of a family home. I am sure that CC was not stuck ‘for a penny’ and could have taken on other work.
    what concerns me about the whole Bank repossession episode are:-

    (1) CC ‘s reluctance to say whether she did or did not represent a banks in a court case/s . The short answer was either a ‘YES’ or a ‘NO’. Either answer would not 100% have broken confidentiality. The question was not even answered last night. It was yet again fudged by ‘flooding the zone’. We can only surmise why the reluctance on CC’s part.

    (2) if CC did represent banks in repossession cases then she is showing herself up as someone who’s moral compass can ‘swing left or right’ ‘ depending on where she ‘finds herself’ . IMO not a good trait to have for someone trying to become the president of Ireland


    So, to summarise, I think that the question on the bank / repossession issue was a very legitimate and reasonable one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Also remember that the Bar Council are themselves barristers. There should be an Independent regulator. Yes I know officially there is, but it has next to no power and , self regulation continues



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,701 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I think that criticising a legal professional for doing their job is hugely unfair. To suggest that Connolly was the cause of people losing their homes in 2014/2015 by the party who lead the government of the time is completely laughable

    The criticism is only legitimate if you disagree with the concept of rehabilitation. In which case why not just lock them up and throw away the key?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,701 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Might not even be Simon Harris the way things are going



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,276 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    Do people really not get this...

    No barrister is stuck for a penny

    No barrister wants to evict families from there homes

    Barrister have to be professional and impartial in their jobs

    They cannot refuse cases on a vague reason that they do not agree...this is not a conflict

    The legal and justice system would fall apart if barristers could refuse certain cases



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭liamtech


    But if common sence, freedom to choose what work you will take on, etc, prevails then if CC was totally on the side of those who a bank is trying to evict because of her moral compass or whatever then I fail to see why she could not find a reason to refrain from taking on such work ie representing a bank in a court case to do with the repossession of a family home.

    This is where your analysis is flawed in my view. Barristers must work on the cases on which they have been assigned. They dont actually have the freedom to choose, unless and until, a true conflict of interest is present.

    Lets use a hypothetical.

    • Lets assume you are a barrister, working independently. Lets say you are also a strong advocate 'AGAINST' Fox hunting, for example.
    • You then receive a case, where you must defend a man who was arrested and charged with tresspassing on someone elses land, while engaged in a fox hunt. Footage emerges of this man, taking great pleasure in shooting and otherwise injurying foxes during a hunt. All technically legal, let us assume. He was arrested for tresspassing and nothing more.
    • You may justifiably feel that the mans actions are cruel, and you may not want to have anything to do with this case. You have recently protested such a hunt, and may view this as grounds to abandon the case, and hand it off to someone else. You are incensed by the mans behavior

    This is all very unfortunate, and i deeply sympathize. But you must take the case, you are a barrister, thats your job. Its not personal, put your feelings aside and get on with it.

    The only way you will avoid this case, is if you are related to the person charged, or perhaps the landowner on which he was tresspassing. Otherwise, you are stuck with it, and you must do your job

    You could try and 'invent' reasons to say there is a conflict of interest, but that would be unethical would it not? Im sure in this situation, you would be ethical, so you wont attempt this. So, you have to represent the man in question.

    If you dont wish to do so - resign as a barrister- you are not cut out for this line of work! You cannot compartmentalize your personal beliefs, from your professional obligations.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



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