Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

That lot swing whatever way the wind goes so wouldn't be looking at them for opinions

It’s possibly to be fanatically pro immigration and still admit that the current system is broken and a far more effective way could be found to reduce the massive waste of taxpayer money to shore it up.

But obviously easier to shut eyes and stick finger in ears while continuously shouting no other game in town

Well no, they're not really… 45,000 asylum seekers arrived here since 2020 - a marked increase on the number of applications we were receiving previously. 45,000 people (plus their dependents who have since joined them) who are entitled to medical cards, and many come from countries where access to dental and medical care is limited or costly – certainly not free - so they will be taking full advantage of what’s on offer.

This surge in numbers suggests that something is attracting people to Ireland. Maybe if we didn’t have to pay out for the types of services that 2 billion euro per year get you, we wouldn’t be such an attractive prospect, and we wouldn’t receive so many people. Providing only the most basic standards/opportunities might reduce the volume of arrivals.

Alternatively, if we weren’t forking out €2 billion a year on services for people who, in many cases, do not contribute economically, that funding could be redirected to strengthen our health system. We could improve service delivery, offer better wages to attract international medical professionals, and retain our own talent.

We keep hearing we have obligations but what exactly are those? Are we obligated to allow AS to be housed on arrival while their application is being heard (current waiting time 18 months) and then spend years making appeals?

Why exactly can’t we build or renovate accommodation for AS and investigate their application within weeks, allow one appeal and that’s it, you’re gone. You’re held until a deportation flight is ready. Flights might be expensive but far cheaper than putting up someone for 6 years or more.

Why are we so afraid of what will happen if we adapt a stricter approach with AS?

how could you remove them in a week? even if they were say a genuine AS from palestine with no documents, it would take a long time to figure out who they are and where they're really from and if they're telling the truth. meanwhile you can't send them anywhere if they've no papers.

i'm pretty sure most just come over the border from the north and the UK is flooded with people coming on boats etc. every day, some trickling through to here.

I just hope nothing crazy happens tonight. Disingenuous immigration needs to be discussed and is at a crossroads now.

When Puska killed Aisling Murphy, we had a week of Irish media discussing how we can fix Irish men, starting with discussing sexual behaviour in Irish schools.

When the Irish citizen Algerian stabbed the schoolgirls, the stores getting looted and cars set on fire were apparently the worst thing to happen that day.

These scammers need to stay in focus.

well if you're pro-EU, i don't think you'd expect greece, italy and spain to have to deal with 100% of the immigrants that come from the middle east and africa, it's not really fair on them, so the obligations are probably there to spread them out.

i'm not really sure how people can be stopped entering med countries either, the coast is so vast and they can also just walk in from turkey etc. not even the USA can keep migrants out of their land border. so the numbers are only going to keep increasing until we get crazy authoritarian governments, and i don't think life will be nice for anyone under those governments, immigrant or not.

i was responding to someone saying we can send them home within a week, i'm not sure how that's possible if you have no idea where they're from or if they're telling the truth. and we've no holding centres now where people will be kept or any plans to build any, so they'll continue to flow in.

The Greeks and Italians should be sending them back where they came from.

Everybody can't live in Europe or USA the world at large needs to accept this.

Maybe if the UN, IMF , WHO etc actually did something constructive and fixed a lot of the issues causing people to want to emigrate en masse to Europe and the USA it might improve things, but they just sit back and do nothing.

Providing the option of sterilisation and greater contraceptive programmes should be part of any aid sent to Africa over the decades, it would gsve helped control the population and reduced rhe need for aid going forward.

why would large numbers of a population volunteer to be sterilised ffs

Because they dont want to have any more children , loads of women in the west get their tubes tied, loads of men get vasectomies why wouldn't people in Africa want similar treatments if they were available for free.

Not enough to have an impact on population numbers.