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Random Renewables Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


     "Having the manual isolator in the attic a half mere away is required and a solenoid operated one in front of (or after?) the manual one seems overkill."

    Always after the shunt.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Australia has something like that too.. then they started failing and causing fires. Its a bit ironic isn't it.

    Thats what the fireman switch does.

    Although they aren't relays or solenoids, Id compare them more like the motorised valves on a heating system, But spring loaded. you hear them whirr then a Clunk sound when they engage (and disengage). They need a fast movement to prevent arcing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,126 ✭✭✭deezell


    This image from an Irish supplier. It shows what appears to be a remote isolator directly under the roof apex, from there to the DC isolator on the left, then into the cable duct. AC isolator

    sofar-inverter-and-dyness-battery-005,ar_unchanged,w_528,h_704,.jpg

    on the right. A current MCBO beside the DC isolator, probably leakage/overload to the grid, this could be in the consumer unit of it had space. High DC voltage still inside,however short the link from the panels.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Yep fireman switch at the top "within 1.5m of entry"
    If it doesnt enter the house, its "within 1.5 m of panels"

    MCB on left is for the battery, then dc isolator (also required by irish regs) inverter, fused spur, AC isolator for the Inverter.

    RCBO for inverter would be in the main consumer unit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,126 ✭✭✭deezell


    I was wondering about the battery, are they DC breakers. I was only seeing high current terminals, on closer look theres a small lead sharing the red terminal flexible conduit, is this a mains connection to the battery MS? I could look up the Dyness installation to see, but I've one eye on Brighton/Spurs...



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    CAN communication cable between battery and inverter.

    Yep DC MCB, I think they are projoy, 120 amp afaik.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,931 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Not directly related to renewables but finally got around to replacing a condenser dryer with a new heat pump dryer.

    Just comparing the power usage of a similar load that used use over 3kW to dry now takes just over 500w

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,126 ✭✭✭deezell


    And the meagre few watts stays indoors as heat. Talking about appliance efficiency, I was discussing air fryers v deep fat fryers, and apparently air fryers blast out a large amount of the frying heat in order to dispel the moisture which would affect the crispiness. Like using the oven with the door open.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,931 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    I don't use a deep fat fryer but I imagine they use a good bit of energy getting the oil up to temp.

    An air fryer uses about half the energy per heating cycle compared to a fan oven and cooks quicker.

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Devil is in the detail, yes for a batch of chicken nuggies.. air fryer will be more efficient.

    If you have enough to fill an oven, oven wins 😂

    Once ovens are up to temperature it doesn't cycle near as much as an air fryer.

    It's winter, everything is now 100% efficient if classed as a space heater, oh it cooks food too, that's a bonus 😜



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,931 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Can't remember the last time I batched cooked chicken nuggets!

    I do think it would have been a great investment for the Government to send every household an energy monitor as part of the energy credits package as part of the last few budgets.

    A lot of people here have became a lot more energy usage aware due to solar etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,126 ✭✭✭deezell


    True about the oven, it recirculates the same hot air, and theres a high percentage of radiant heat reflected from the oven walls, which is better than just hot air for proper cooking.

    A two litre deep fryer with a 1.5kw element takes about 6.5 minutes to heat from room temperature to 150°, using about a sixth of a kwh. It will use maybe half as much again to cook the chips, as the stat kicks in and out to keep the temperature at a constant 150.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Hell even make esb activate the p1 port on the smart meters!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,126 ✭✭✭deezell


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    Still, it takes a little work to actually derive the power used in units, KWh. In the posted chart the consumption is 1.5Kw, but duty cycle is about a half, and the time is about 27 minutes. In Joules this is 1500x0.5x(27×60)seconds, a total of 1215KJsec. In KWh, divide by 3600 and you have 0.3375 Kwh, roughly a third of a unit, and about the same as it took to cook my chips, which was 0.1625 kwh to heat up the oil, then half or more of this to maintain the frying temperature. Oil has low thermal conductivity, so it holds it heat well with minor losses until you lash in your chips or battered sausage, then theres just some warm steam lost out through the extractor fan. It was a family member who moaned about the high hot air output of the air fryer, and discovered that this is an essential part of the design.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    They should have installed smart meters that had a remote display for the home owner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,931 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    I believe they have as mentioned by graememk the P1 port has this functionality but has yet to be activated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭PressTheButton


    @GaryDoesSolar [YouTube] on when to force discharge home battery back to the grid:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,683 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    The dirty man of Europe loves his brown exports…

    I am pissed that we only have 3 hours of cheap imports though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,266 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    https://www.gobelpower.com/gobel-power-project-x-lifepo4-battery-diy-kit-for-eve-mb56-628ah-lifepo4-cells_p261.html?cPath=11#4

    Gobel has some new looking DIY kits, they're a different format with 2 rows of 8 cells stacked on each other. There's another one for the bigger 628Ah cells too

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    I don't know if that's a see through case or just a cutaway graphic. I guess it's still in the development phase since they don't have any real photos

    Its a neat looking case, the smaller ground footprint might make it a bit easier for some installations. I'm a bit confused about the positive and negative sticking out of opposite sides. Good for separation but I'm not seeing the logic behind it

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,126 ✭✭✭deezell


    That's a see through graphic of the case, showing the terminals exiting mounted on the translucent image of an actual solid panel.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,266 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Time of use for exports would be a great fix here. Give a peak export rate between 5-9pm to encourage anyone with a battery to discharge to the grid when it needs it

    Similarly you can have a lower export rate during the night time to encourage people to store any energy they have

    Well whatever your night rate is is basically just an abstraction of the market rate during that window

    2-5am is cheapest so gets the lowest rate (although I'm convinced Pinergy lose money on that rate). As a recall it's around 20-40% of the day rate for most suppliers

    I'm still on the old D/N rate so I've got 9 hours of cheaper electricity, but the difference is narrower, around 50-60%

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,266 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    It's actually transparent, I missed that it says so in the description (should've gone to specsavers

    I wonder if we're entering the gaming PC era of batteries, there'll be RGB lights and pixel displays available for the battery kits soon

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,126 ✭✭✭deezell


    And illuminated coloured cooling fluid in transparent tubes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,683 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Yeah this bit confirms it, but a bit of a joke for the asking price for it

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    Can't see it going well trying to tighen a terminal that is only held in place by plexyglass and if driving these hard they will get hotter than a metal case.

    Still looks cool though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,266 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I think I'd have preferred the front to be see through and the top and side to be metal with the display and terminals mounted on them

    I do like the format, and the idea of a non conducive outer shell

    Maybe Andy will get one and give it a review at some point

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,244 ✭✭✭paulbok


    Some lazy questions so apologies. 😬

    Is this a full kit, or are there additional bits needed to setup or connect (assuming it's replacing an existing battery)

    Am I right in thinking that works out around €100 per kWh of storage when you add delivery?

    Is that good for a DIY battery setup?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,683 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Yes and no, if they stop peak sun export, the majority of people will be left out of FIT, except the ones with massive batteries.

    An even then with the silly 5/6kw export limit for a few hours it just won't be worth it, as there is no way FIT would go up only down.

    Now if they bring in negative pricing (doubt it) then that might offset things somewhat as excess can be put into batteries/EVs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,126 ✭✭✭deezell


    It takes 16 by 2Kwh cells, they have them for €93 but probably a lot more if they have vat, delivery, duty etc. Case is €540, plus 16 by €93. Is €2028, €63/kw. It could work out at €100/kwh with all the extras



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,266 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Assuming your inverter can talk to a JK BKS then it should be able to replace an existing battery

    If I was buying today I'd probably go with the metal kit as this is a proven product. A lot of these kits have some issues when they launch so I wouldn't want to be the early adopter

    It's worth checking out the off grid garage page as he links the sellers he has bought from

    https://off-grid-garage.com/

    It's worth keeping in mind that you'll pay VAT and customs charges on most stuff from China unless it's EU stock, so just be careful about the headline price

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,266 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Well demand during the day is still high so I don't see the daytime FIT going. I'd kind of hoped that dynamic tariffs would be for export as well so you would effectively get that FIT bonus during peak hours anyway

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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