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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    He got his 'Ceasefire'. He will just walk away and say he brought peace and one or both sides broke it, it's not Trump's fault.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,730 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Apparently. Even the politicians at the rally realise it’s performative and that voting is what counts.

    www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj3zemk2j4ro

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭Wolf359f




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    In other words, The Gazan's Cease whilst the Israeli Fire.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,736 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Why do you continually refer to millions of people getting together to show their collective dislike of the current US situation as 'performative?'

    It's no more or less performative than any other mass demonstration. Something the US has been quite fond of over the years.

    Would you discount them all as performative? Or just this one?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,365 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Master planner my arse. In other news, the IDF have lost 2 soldiers KIA in Gaza and had several wounded. Another two wars proceeding as normal with more casualties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,939 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Peaceful demonstrations, by their nature are performative, the alternative is a violent demonstration. They are the only means, other than the ballot box, for the public to make their views known. 7 million took part. Trump previously said there were riots in Portland, Oregon. That was 12 people protesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Well what an insight that is. Thanks for pointing that out, we'd be lost without you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I believe it was the largest single day demonstration against a sitting US president ever and yet some people are dismissing it. As his policies hurt more and more people, the numbers will only keep increasing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,992 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I don't think that's true that the only alternative to peaceful protesting is violent protesting. There is an organised attempt by MAGA to infiltrate every level of US government that they can. Every institution, every instrument of power. A big day of protest isn't going to do a whole lot about that. It's a good statement of intent, but is there a determined strategy to block the ongoing corruption of the US government and civil service? If there is an alternative to peaceful protest that isn't violent, it's that kind of thing. Of course, there's also the midterms and 2028, but if anyone thinks that there isn't a MAGA plan in place for those, I've a bridge for sale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Audio from SCOTUS hearing on alleged racial gerrymandering in Louisiana. Blacks are one third of the population there but there is only one Black majority seat out of 7. In 2021 a court ruled the state had to create a second one. This is being challenged by 6 White Louisianans.

    Justice Gorsuch (2017 Trump appointee):

    On Wednesday, the Supreme Court heard oral arguments in the case Robinson v. Callais and Louisiana v. Callais, which could alter Section Two of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. During which, Justice Neil Gorsuch asked Principal Deputy Solicitor General at the Department of Justice Hashim M. Mooppan about the legal principle of predominance as it applies to his argument.

    Justice Clarence Thomas (one of two Black members of the court but a Bush Sr. appointee). The video is titled as John Roberts speaking, but its actually Clarence Thomas:

    It looks like SCOTUS may overturn the ban on racial gerrymandering in the Voting Rights Act 1964. Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan in the audio below are on the liberal side so will probably oppose doing so.

    Post edited by Ozymandius2011 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    SCOTUS justices ask about an "end point" for the Voting Rights Act.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,730 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Because in this case, it is. The bottom line is that the people against whom they are protesting don't care, and have no reason to care.

    And yes, there are differences in mass demonstrations. A direct counter-example is the previous batch of large scale nation-wide protests, the BLM/George Floyd/Police Actions protests. They, also, were generally peaceful, yet they actually had some effect. The difference is in the target.

    BLM was a nationwide movement, but the people against whom it was directed were local. Policing, policies, and the like are local affairs. The Chief of Police is answerable to, and appointed by, the mayor, who is locally elected. The sheriff is locally elected. If the mayor of Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, New York, DC, Houston or Baltimore sees hundreds of thousands of people on his streets protesting something he has authority over, he's going to care. Democrat voters giveth, and Democrat Voters taketh away. BLM protests saw changes in policing. Maybe not huge, maybe not as much as the protestors wanted, but they had an effect.

    But if President Trump sees a million voters each on the streets of those cities, so what? What are they going to do if he doesn't listen to them and change policy? Change their vote in the next election?

    The current policies to which they object are in place not because people protested, but because people voted for the people implementing them. The Republican party isn't going to listen to protests in cities by people who aren't likely to vote for them anyway, but they may well start paying attention when the returns start coming in in a few weeks and, for example, Virginia's governorship flips from Republican to Democrat. (Though granted, New Jersey is interesting and has a non-zero chance to counter that)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,846 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    This post has aged like the finest milk on earth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,401 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    I don't think the object is to influence Trump directly. It's to influence those who enable him — to bring home to those in Congress and at other levels of government that there will be price to be paid for association with, or support for, or simply passivity in the face of, Trump. As you point out, the Republican party "isn't going to listen to protests in cities by people who aren't likely to vote for them anyway", but a lot of the protests that take place in Democratic cities include protestors from the Republican suburbs and dormitory towns that surround them, and Republican representatives will be hearing a similar sentiment from voters at town hall meetings and other engagement processes. If seats in state government and state legislatures start flipping from red to blue, this isn't something separate and apart from the "No Kings" protests; they are two sides of the one coin.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,730 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Attention will be paid to one side of the coin, far more than the other. As you say, the engagement process, particularly from constituents, and good polling. And, if nothing else gets their attention, the returns will, especially if those returns start flipping seats. But that would happen regardless of if a No Kings march even occurred in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,401 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    I think the two things reinforce one another. The "No Kings" marches will underline the strength of feeling that underpins the sentiments that they are (presumably) hearing in their own interactions with voters, and will indicate how widely those sentiments are shared. And, if the Republicans do experience a loss of votes/seats in the elections next month, the prominence and widespread nature of the protests means that this loss is likely to be attributed to the issues than underlie the protests, and correspondingly to be attributed less to other issues.

    Sure, if the marches happen and then the Republicans are returned triumphant at every level in the elections, the marches will have no effect on the Republican party. But if the Republicans do poorly in the elections, then the marches will be very influential in shaping their understanding of why they have done poorly, and their thinking about what they have to do if they want to remedy the situation.

    (Plus, we mustn't overlook the other primary function of these (and most) protests and demonstrations, which is to give encouragement and maintain momentum and enthusiasm for the movement that the protests represents. Trump opponents who have collaborated to organise these protests now have a network, connections, etc through which other endeavours — voter registration, election campaigning, lobbying, acts of civil disobedience, whatever — can be organised. Citizens who have made the emotional commitment of attending one of these protests will be more likely to respond favourably to, or participate in, other intitiatives to oppose Trump and his allies.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 356 ✭✭somenergy


    Was in a bar last night with a friend we briefly mentioned de no kings only to be interrupted by someone close by we immediately reminded him it is a private conversation.

    I know him he is a northern englander 1 of many in the area I live they are brexiters and are cult like followers of felon but worst of all they like Hitler

    It's another part of the world so its effect is world wide



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    We have 4chan posters cosplaying as serious professionals in the White House

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    The exchange was far worse:

    "HuffPost then asked Leavitt if she thought her response was funny.

    She responded: “It’s funny to me that you actually consider yourself a journal [sic]. You are a far left hack who nobody takes seriously, including your colleagues in the media, they just don’t tell you that to your face. Stop texting me your disingenuous, biased, and bulls*** questions.”"

    My only hope is that these people ultimately get what they deserves.

    Assh0les isn't a strong enough word.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,226 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    Karoline Leavitt is devoid of critical thinking.

    She's 28 years old meaning she entered the MAGA world before at 18 and drank the Kool-Aid.

    She was part of the press secretary team in the first administration.

    She thought she could run for congress at 24 years old. And as no surprise with someone like her she "fell in love" with a man 32 years older than her that she met at 24 years old who conveniently was a multi millionaire and agreed to fund her congressional run reportedly contributing over 3 million dollars.

    Once Trump gets bored of her and fires her or she leaves in 2028 she'll become another Megyn Kelly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    The problem is that Megan Kelly is doing very well for herself. There appears to be little consequences for the likes of her, Sanders, Kayleigh McEnany etc

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,588 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    These are the people that the military should appparently “respect the office” for. It’s a **** joke of a country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,563 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,419 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's gas how the MAGA types seem to think that Trump reads this thread. Assuming that he can read of course.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,247 ✭✭✭Field east


    Yes, Trump isVERY UNLIKELY, to be influenced in any way by protests , no matter how large. He has ‘the words’ to explain them away to his MAGA crowd. He is impervious to such ‘provocations’.
    BUT, BUT, BUT every oak tree started out as a little acorn. So this nationwide demo has such potential and which may lead to something else/bigger.
    Look what the Tunisian individual who wanted to get a street vending licence and who set fire to himself when he failed to get it lead to - massive and violent protests in a number of countries - it was called the Spring revolution or something like that.it

    Look at what the late Ben Dunne smoking a joint in a hotel in Orlando lead to

    And was the First World War triggered by some prince being shot in Austria?

    I’m sure that there are loads of other examples of major ‘events’ which started off as very small things



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,247 ✭✭✭Field east


    IMO the Budapest location is even more PROFOUNDLY SYMBOLIC as a location than ALASKA was from so many ‘angles’. That Levitte lady is a ‘waste of space’ . She is sooooo obnoxious. She knew exactly what she was asked and gave a typical Trumpian answer and knows that it will stick with the MaGA followers. What a deflection of a response



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,308 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,419 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Yep. Don't underestimate the extreme stupidity of farmers. I speak from experience.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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