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Forgotten Irish movies.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,933 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    TCM was shut down in the UK and Ireland, it wasn't a Virgin/ Sky issue. When the Warner Bros/ Discovery merger happened, they shut down Turner Classic Movies, or TCM to everyone else.

    It's frustrating, because they occasionally had some great classic films on there. But buyouts, deals, mergers and so on, killed it.

    https://www.joe.ie/movies-tv/tcm-movies-closed-777880#:~:text=TCM%20Movies%2C%20one%20of%20the,stood%20for%20Turner%20Classic%20Movies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭George White


    I Thank A Fool (1962) - Susan Hayward melodrama set in Cork and Liverpool. Features Diane Cilento as an Irish character, and Kieron Moore, Cyril Cusack and JG Devlin.

    Also has a poster for the Clipper Carlton Showband in the Liverpool scenes - the first reference to an Irish showband in a film, maybe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,658 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    Not sure if these have been mentioned. Pilgrims Progress (1978) and the follow-up Christina (1979). Both adapted from John Bunyans The Pilgrims Progress.

    Filmed in Northern Ireland by an American evangelical film maker called Ken Anderson, presumably aimed at the American evangelical market and I'd imagine shown in church halls etc. Of interest mainly because they both star a fella called Liam Neeson, in his earliest screen roles.

    The only other name In the cast that rings a bell with me is Maurice O'Callaghan, who's not the guy who directed Broken Harvest but an actor from Derry who was involved with Belfast's Group Theatre and has a few TV credits.

    They're both on Youtube

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭George White


    Very odd because they're the very few films shot in NI during the Troubles, and at that not about the Troubles.

    They also made this - Touch of the Master's Hand (1980)

    Touch of the Master's Hand (1980) - IMDb



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,509 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Did anyone watch Pilgrimage? Seems like an interesting story about medieval relics, Tom Holland and Jon Berenthal star along with other Irish actors.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Sgt Hartman


    I did, it’s decent enough with some good action throughout . I rented it on Now Tv

    ”If I offended you, you needed it!!” - Corey Taylor



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭George White


    Found on Amazon prime uK (not Ireland, sadly) - After Midnight (1990)

    Anyone seen this, rather silly knockabout comedy set in a posh Dublin hotel (filmed at Fitzpatrick's, Killiney), made by C4.

    An obscure Dublin film starring Saeed Jaffrey (in a very similar part to his turn in C4's Tandoori Nights), Hayley Mills, Ian Dury, Vladek Sheybal as an Arab, A rare film about Asians in Ireland pre-Celtic Tiger. Featuring such RTE staples as Maurice 'Fr Dick Byrne' O'Donoghue, RTE sportscaster/former stooge to Kenny Cantor Brendan O'Reilly, Gerard 'Malachy from Fair City' Byrne, Pat Laffan, Mikel Murfi (Aunty Monica from the Den), veteran voiceover guy Brian Munn… Damp views of CIE buses crossing Liberty Hall, and a Harp poster.

    Thanks Pat the Baker, Nokia, Premier Dairies, Spar, Murphy's Brewery, Louis Copeland, Musgrave's Cash and Carry and Cantrell and Cochrane, Brown Thomas...

    Noticed a family friend in the credits, prop man Cos Egan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,916 ✭✭✭pappyodaniel


    Level42 were the band in the nightclub scene. Pure nonsense but I'm glad I watched it. Good shout.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,933 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    I think the Fantasist was shown either late on either RTE 1 or RTE 2, or more possibly TG4 at some point, which is where I saw it. (Outside of the Blizzard of Odd discussing it).

    Moira Harris later became Mrs Gary Sinise. I think they've both essentially retired from acting. Gary and Moira took care of their son, MacKenna Sinise, who died from a rare form of spinal cancer, at the age of 34. Moira herself was also battling cancer at the same time, but she survived it and has been given the all-clear.

    Fate can be incredibly unpredictable. And very cruel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭George White


    Seems Harris married Sinise in 1981, so she was already Moira Sinise.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 315 ✭✭Bus Boy


    His & Hers

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1550533/

    Like 'An Cailín Ciúin".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,933 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    I remember the Irish film folks were heaping praise on this film, but it's been forgotten in the last twenty years.

    You don't even see it on TV, and it's imdb profile is scant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭George White


    Cheap, ugly, well-meaning but feels rather patronising.
    Let travellers make their own films, not through the eyes of an Englishman.
    Reminded of those stories about the 'poor bog Irish'.
    Stan Ogden could have made a better film.

    If it had been made now, I feel the director would be 'cancelled' by 'ideological bullies'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,933 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Many of the folks involved never made another film afterwards. That includes the director.

    It's interesting looking back on it now, and seeing the lack of distinction, and, as you point out, how it's an outsider commenting on their community. Strange how Into the West gets shown more on the likes of TG4, and the lack of genuine travellers in that film doesn't get commented upon.

    Off topic, but sort of related in how it's an outsider depicting a community, but the modern audiences of today try and get The Crying Game cancelled for it's depiction of a trans woman/ transvestite and the relationship depicted in the film.

    The film was considered groundbreaking for the time, in it's depiction of an lgbt romance. Even won Jordan an Oscar. Yet I imagine Neil Jordan being straight while depicting a gay romance rankles certain people. They try and get the film cancelled nowadays.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭George White


    I know trans people who absolutely love The Crying Game. There's one who says she wishes she had Jaye Davidson's voice (ie he sounds like a woman).

    I think with Into the West, it's seen as a fantasy.

    I always find it funny that Crossroads in 1978 had better traveller rep in their series than most Irish TV now (or at least a decade or so - i .e. Damo and Ivor - the Movie), with Maureen, Benny's minceir girlfriend and her boyfriend (played by Darragh 'son of Donogh' O'Malley).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Sgt Hartman


    Vinnie Jones fights bog body zombies in this 2009 straight to DVD horror. I bet it’s as good as it sounds 😏

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    ”If I offended you, you needed it!!” - Corey Taylor



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭The Subliminal Verses




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,509 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    He might be able to kill zombies, but I doubt he can futt turf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    About Adam

    Dublin man about town seduces three sisters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,933 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    You only really hear that discussed when it comes to Kate Hudson's really good Irish accent.

    The Irish film critics heaped praised upon it- it's imdb stands at a rotten 5.8. Gerry Stembridge and Tommy Tiernan wrote it, with Stembridge directing.

    It's probably more forgotten now for being a Weinstein Miramax production.

    The imdb trivia portion is rather damning.

    There were a few Irish films from that era, made during the Celtic Tiger delusions era - portraying Dublin (Not Ireland) as Paris.

    When Brendan met Trudy was of a similar vein. Watched that film last year, I think, on TG4… couldn't even finish it. Roddy Doyle writing directly for screen, and clearly needing an editor. Once the millennium hit, he sort of lost connection to the Ireland of the now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭George White


    Bachelor's Walk too fits in, I even remember Simon Delaney saying thus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭George White


    The thing is, the story is of its time, because the whole idea is that Fergus doesn't know he's in a gay bar. Back in the 90s, it was considered cromulent that a 40-odd guy from Belfast would not know he was in a gay bar (I can imagine my dad making such a mistake), but now that feels ridiculous. It's a generational thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,658 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    I remember it being featured on John Kellys the View at the time it came out. Among the guests on that edition were the future prez MDH who pretty much nailed it in a damming review.

    I saw it in the cinema, very much a product of the Celtic Tiger, very much style over substance and unlikeable characters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,933 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Which film? About Adam or When Brendan…? Both films are kinda crap. Strange how memory-holed they are, compared to much older films like The Commitments, or My Left Foot, or In the Name of the Father. And I know the latter two won Oscars, but even then some other high profile films are forgotten, in comparison.

    I've seen folks label it transphobic and other things. It's completely of it's time, for sure, but not in a problematic/ anti-lgbt angle. It's not a film like Freebie and the Bean, or Vanishing Point, which got highlighted in The Celluloid Closet, as problematic/ downright wrong attitudes towards the lgbt movement, whilst also highlighting how so many supposedly positive depictions of lgbt characters and couples still end with the 'one of them dies' angle. A staple of the Hays film code in America, that still lingers.

    Indeed. And now it's aged so horribly because there are parts of Dublin you can't walk down now, due to potentially losing your life.

    Funny how some things age like wine, and others age like milk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,658 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Well I saw it when it was in the cinemas and enjoyed it as a light romantic drama that showed a different side of Dublin to the usual poverty stricken city portrayed in most films.

    Yes it was seen as 'misogynistic' by some but they would have been put off by the advertising and probably never saw it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭George White


    State of Wonder (1984)

    This film was featured at the Official Selection at the 1984 Berlinale, but doesn't seem to have got any kind of public release (at least in US or England) bar a few screenings in Kerry. Director Martin Donovan ended up having a career, with Apartment Zero (1988), Mad at the Moon (1992) and writing Death Becomes Her (1992), but this film vanished to the point when I first happened upon its imdb, I wasn't sure if it was real or not. And having watched it, I still am not quite sure.
    It may be one of the most bizarre films ever made in Ireland. I thought I'd never see it, then randomly found it on Youtube, uploaded by costar Michael Halphie (semi-familiar as a renta-Arab in UK TV in the 80s).
    Technically a British production but made by an Argentinian director with an international cast (including Annie Chaplin, one of Charlie's daughters) in Kerry, with a mix of professionals and local amateurs (who are all dubbed), it's hard to explain what it is. It's about a simple-minded youth in a war zone.Reminded me of Taxi Mauve (1977) and Light Years (1981)) in terms of a foreign eye on the Western Irish countryside, and Mondo Candido (1976) with scenes of a blond innocent wandering through a strange idea of Ireland's Troubles. Here, it's shot in Kerry locations with Land Rovers full of soldiers parading through fields, but everything seems to suggest it is a South American banana republic, with Spanish names, but also we have medieval style peasants, and yet everyone has British accents. With its post-synced dubbing, there's a children's TV drama vibe, It doesn't dress the locations. There are still Catholic churches and phone boxes with Telefón, but it is not Ireland. It is nowhere. The church has posters of John Lennon alongside God. There is a Diana-esque Princess and a sub-Modern Romance samba music number in a church hall. Lead Nigel Court (who only did a few Italian films later on) is a bit Lance Kerwin-ish, and forgettable enough, but he somehow works.
    The climax on a beach is striking, with these almost post-apocalyptic warriors wandering about trying to overthrow the occupying soldiers.
    In all, a tragic, beautiful film that hardly anyone saw, and thus I feel lucky to have seen, a few days after being reminded of it, and wondering if I would ever see it.

    The most familiar faces are David and Anthony Meyer, alias Mischka and Grischka from Octopussy, playing opposite roles as outlaw leader and dictator.
    Just discovered that one of the actors, Lee Warner was in EastEnders playing the oft mentioned but rarely seen Mr. Papadopoulos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,658 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    I've since found out that failed Cork actor turned far right grifter Stephen Greaney is in this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,658 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    Looked it up on Irishnewspapersarchive.

    Evening Herald.

    Evening Herald 1891-current, Tuesday, August 16, 1983 - Page 6.png

    The Kerryman, July 29, 1983

    Kerryman 1904-current, Friday, July 29, 1983 - Page 11.png
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,658 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    The premiere in Dingle August 84.

    Sunday Press 1978-1989, Sunday, August 19, 1984 - Page 32.png


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