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Madeleine McCann

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭OneEightSeven
    MEGA - Make Éire Great Again


    Brueckner has a very recognisable face, with distinctive scarring and pockmarks. A fake name wouldn't cut it. He would literally need plastic surgery to obtain a new identity to avoid being recognised at an airport, which probably costs lots of money, while wearing an ankle tag and being monitored by the police. He's a bit resourceful, but he's not Saul Goodman.

    I would be very interested to see how he pulls this off.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    These are not my problems, these are his problems, or he should have thought about that one before comitting any crime. Any airport in the EU and the UK would recognize him. Eichmann could pull it of so why can't he?

    Maybe changing the colour of his hair and a full beard would do in the beginning? Suppose he'd remove the bracelet, make his way to some harbour and hitch a ride on a freighter, pay a corrupt captain to take him on, bribe authorities upon arrival in a 3rd world country, - not impossible to think of.

    He's resourceful, I am sure but first he needs money and he most likely won't earn lot's of money quickly as nobody would employ him.

    I am honestly also not too sure about the German authorities as well as he's really Maddie's killer. Other than a cell phone log they don't have anything connecting him at all. The pictures on the USB drive seem to be from other or about other children, as far as I know.

    Instead of tags for surveilance and fears of repeat offending, they should have done a forced surgical castration as a condition for prison release. Only then it'll be certain he won't repeat offending.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    EU countries are under no obligation to accept his presence in their country.

    Free movement has its limits and states have a right to refuse entry to EU citizens should the state have a valid reason to do so e.g. an individual poses a genuine, present and serious threat to society which Brueckner does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I have read in a German paper that Bruckner will be able to get a Personalausweis but this document will explicitly state that it's not for travel. So essentially, legally he can't go anywhere, except within Germany. However within the EU / Schengen zone there are no checks at the border as well, so suppose he removes the bracelet with a good head start, makes it somehow to some harbour in the Netherlands, bribes his way onto a freighter with destination to a 3rd world country. Bruckner would be gone, never to be seen again.

    Would that bother me? No. They don't have a body thus they can't prove murder, they have no evicence to convict him, if he gotten back he'd be arrested anyway for violation of his release conditions. So he'd be going back to jail.

    And then again, who knows, maybe he wasn't the killer at all? Maybe the Germans are barking up the wrong tree? He was convicted for rape of a 70 year old and was a local drug pusher in Portugal, with abnormal sexual phantasies as far as I know. They could have convicted him if he had pictures of a sexual nature of minors, but apparently they didn't even have that. Lot's of other shady characters out and about in that part of Portugal back then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,967 ✭✭✭✭briany


    While there is no hard proof to say he's connected with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, he was someone with the means, motive & opportunity. Looks pretty unlikely that anything will ever turn on him or anyone else, though.

    As far as we know, she more or less disappeared off the face of the earth, and that's that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭OneEightSeven
    MEGA - Make Éire Great Again


    I never said they were your problems, I just don't think it's that easy for a high-profile sexual predator with no money to flee to South America as you initially suggested.

    Eichmann fled when photos were of him were in black and white and were of poor quality. In those days, you read the newspaper and listened to the radio. He also had the help of the Catholic Church, providing him safe houses and forged documents. It was a lot easier to disappear before television, social media and HD surveillance cameras. If Putin or Netanyahu were removed from power, do you think they could simply put on a disguise and flee to the Americas?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭csirl


    How long are his release conditions for? Normally tagging or probation are only for at most a couple of years post release.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Brueckner is to be tagged for 5 years. He is to hand in his passport and stay within Germany and provide a registered address. A move within Germany would have to be approved by the court. He is to see a probation officer at least once every month. If he doesn't follow the rules, he'd face either a fine or a jail sentence of 3 years. The investigation into the disappearance is still ongoing. That's all I know on the conditions.

    If a criminal wants to flee then he flees. There is no doubt about it.

    German newspapers would be interested, British papers would be interested, maybe also Portugese. In a corrupt country however nobody really cares or asks questions and those who ask questions are either kept quiet with money or end up dead. Brueckner would chose such a country. I'd say some Latin American country which is friends with Putin would be one choice for sure.

    Changing the colour of hair, just for men and those likes, a full beard and things do change quickly at first.

    We'd have to have a body first and then we could take next steps. Currently Brueckner is a suspect in a disappearance or a possible murder but we don't even have a body. Just log in data of a cell phone close to one specific transmitter doesn't prove anything, also it's not illegal to borrow the phone to somebody else as well.

    We would also have to consider that it's also possible that it wasn't him at all. Means, motive and opportunity would be there for Brueckner, but so would have a couple of others. Brueckner will certainly never talk out of his own free will.

    What is clear is that Brueckner wasn't even a suspect in the beginning of the investigation and would have had a more than comfortable head start. He wasn't a suspect for many years as far as I know. He could have dumped the body anywhere on the road from Portugal to Germany, like in France or Spain.

    If Brueckner would have hidden the body, he would certainly not have done it in Portugal or any of the locations he frequented in Portugal or in his home in Germany. It's the first thing the police would search and zoom into. If say Brueckner raped Madeleine her body would be a connection beyond doubt between Brueckner and victim, so he would have made more than sure that the body would never ever be found, - that is if he did it. A drive from Portugal via Spain and France to Germany is a very long way with loads of possibilities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭csirl


    Seeing the Probation Officer only once a month means they consider him a low risk. High risk would be at least once a week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    The tag on his leg connects to a central system in Germany and would inform the local authorities quickly. Same would be if he would come close to a school or kindergarden. The time frame would be 20 minutes as far as I know. This would also be the case if the tag was removed by Bruckner himself. That much is known. Whether he visits the probation officer every month or every week will most likely not make any difference when it comes to the possibility of further crimes.

    So if Brueckner wanted to flee and remove his tag he'd have a 20 minutes head start. There have also been cases where the removal of the tag wasn't even noticed and the suspect could flee, even board a plane and fly somewhere.

    There is no doubt that Brueckner is an evil man with a sick mind. He's been in and out of jail and in trouble with the law ever since age 17 and was also beaten and mistreated when he was younger. His police file is rather long, possibly around 16 to 18 different entries. It was mostly about drug offences, break ins and robberies as well as sexual offences and possession of child pornography. He's for certain high up on the list of re-offending in some way.

    I think they should have either kept him in protective custody or required him to be surgically castrated as a release condition. It would be a very sure way of him not raping other women or children or whatever he wanted to rape.

    However none of that criminal history connects him beyond reasonable doubt with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. He had no alibi, motive and opportunty, even knew the layout of the holiday complex well as he did maintenance work there on occasion, like looking after the swimming pool, etc…

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    anyone within a few hundred mile radius could have had means , motive and oportunity. this isnt exactly a complicated crime to carry out. no great skills needed to open an unlocked door and carry a child out and into a car. probably 10s of thousands of people could have done this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭OneEightSeven
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    Alright, let's say Bruckner does find a corrupt South American country to reside in. Who is he going to bribe? Is he going to bribe politicians or the leader? How much would he need to bribe them? Where would he get the money? What will happen if Europol slap a bounty on him which outweighs whatever money he's bribing them with? He would only need to bribe people if he is using his real identity, so if Europol decide to slap a bounty on his head, someone will turn him in to collect the reward.

    You don't know what kind of contacts he has, or has left, who could provide him with forged documents that could allow to flee Europe. You don't know what kind of ankle tags are on him and how easy they are to cut off. You don't know if the courts will agree to have his tags removed and considering that he's a high-risk offender and a flight risk, who has been ordered to stay away from places used by children, it's unlikely he'll have those tags removed anytime soon. Just a bunch of hypotheticals.

    I don't see any scenario where this guy flees the EU while he's on probation. Could he flee after probation? Possibly, but options are still limited by money. After his probation, I just picture this guy just drifting around Europe and spending time in and out of jail for burglary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭riddles


    Gary Glitter, Trump, Epstein, Prince Edward or Saville would challenge him for the most infamous pedophile award.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    You're thinking in the mind of a law abiding citizen. Brueckner is a criminal, and if he wants to he'll figure out a way.

    He also knows that the German authorities are still investigating him, and he knows that as long as he's within Germany and his location is known to them they could pick him up any time. This would probably only be a matter of time.

    Even in the event if Brueckner is regretful and wants to lead a decent life, he knows that his past will always come back to haunt him, another reason for not staying in Germany, not even in the EU, the UK, North America, Australia and NZ out of the question forever. Never a decent job, never decent friends, nobody want to be with him. A new identity would be the only choice he would have left.

    The big challenge would be, how quickly could he set enough money or better cash aside with the little job prospects he has in order to flee. Also in a corrupt 3rd world country any even smaller amount of cash from Europe can be a lot in their standards. Doesn't have to be Latin America, maybe also someplace in Africa or Asia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,000 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    Looks like only the Antarctic would be safe for Brueckner. What a shame, eh?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Brueckner should have thought of this before he started his crimes.

    Even if Brueckner should decide to go straight and be an honest man he will never ever have a normal life, and he knows this.

    He'll always be suspected, not trusted, cold shouldered and ostracised. On top of that the German authorities will always be after him no matter what, and no matter if it's even related to him, - the matter would make him feel harassed even more. Those who rape childen will always be treated differently by society, no matter if they served their sencence or not.

    If I was in his shoes, I would try to leave no matter what, put the past behind and for that only some 3rd world or corrupt county without an extradition treaty could seve him this purpose. If changing appearances and a fake / illegally obtained passport is necessary than that'll have to do. He's got no future ever in Germany the UK or the EU outside of jail, even less rotting inside a jail. As a matter of fact, if it's just about staying in Germany he'd be better off inside jail.

    And if he fled the country, I'd say everyone will be happy he's gone. Nobody wants him back, maybe only the German authorities whose pride he'd hurt. Society will be happy he's gone, the tax payer will be happy he won't have to be financially looked after / paid for when he's locked up again….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,967 ✭✭✭✭briany


    No, I think he should stay within Germany where he hopefully won't be able to pick his nose without the German police knowing about it. The tax money spent on that would be worth it.

    Even if Germany's rid of him by absconding, that just means he's free to do god-knows-what off in some developing country where life is cheap and the authorities are corrupt. However, it is exactly as wrong if he commits his crimes in Myanmar as it is in the EU. And because some of these countries won't or can't effectively enforce child safety, maybe it's all the more important that Germany never lets Brueckner get to such places to start with.

    If he does escape Germany, the only real aspect of his old life he'll want to leave behind will be the whole jail bit. I think he'd be keen to dip back into his old ways, otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    What I am saying is that even if he's planning to go straight Germany won't be a place for him. If he wants to stay in Germany he'd be better of in jail, have fellow prisoners to socialize with, a prison job, maybe with a bit more opions for one or two days of freedom for good behavior every now and then.

    He simply can't live or be integrated into German society anymore even if straight and honest. Those options are no longer for him.

    If he went to a corrupt 3rd world country he'd be starting clean as nobody knows him and as long as he stays straight nobody would care too much. And if he tried raping children again even in a corrupt 3rd world country the authorities won't really be nice to him. Jails there would be of a different nature than in Germany.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,000 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    I'd rather they know where he is, than not know. He's a serious danger to children and women.

    He raped a woman of 72, what a gent. He exposed himself in a children's playground. Nasty pce of sh*t.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I'd rather they'd kept him in jail forever with no choice of ever coming out as the only choice.

    Or maybe surgical castration as the only condition for freedom after having served his time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭XT1200


    He wouldn't be the first foreign criminal to be allowed into Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    A lot of things about this case is strange. Most of all there seems no strong evidence against Brueckner other than loads of people think he did it. A confession to a cellmate in prison is hardly credible evidence and neither is selling or re-registering a car on the very next day.

    For a long time (like 10 years or so) the British believed that Madeleine was still alive, - based on what precise evidence? The Germans keep insisting that Madeleine is most likely dead, based on what precise evidence?

    Is this an assessment based on either likeliness and longevity and time elapsed or based on some kind of evidence or hard facts, - other than not having a body.

    What do the Germans really have on Brueckner? Apparently it's a hard disk drive and a USB stick both containing certain pictures, possibly child pornography?

    Can these pictures be linked to Madeleine?

    Apparently nothing at all, - otherwise they would have indicted Brueckner and brought the matter to court.

    And if the pictures are about child pornography, why wasn't Brueckner indicted with the possession of those? After all they were found on his property / in an abandoned warehouse which he either owned or rented?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    I think you've been watching a few too many movies…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,985 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    18 years later. It’s not going to be solved is it ? I mean the Portuguese police have nothing apart from some run away idea every few years to dig up another piece of land somewhere…

    If she was buried in or thrown into the sea scavenging marine life would have taken the body apart very quickly, sharks, dolphins etc….bones buried in sand and corroded over time by the salt and acidity of the water. The water there is reported to have a very high salt content…

    Going to take remarkable levels of good fortune to ever solve this…Whatever did happen with her, it’s the perfect crime, literally.

    Authorities don’t know what happened, don’t know who is responsible and no trace of evidence with which to convict anyone….or even charge them….nobody was ever charged.

    If you are her family you might not want to give up hope but for your own wellbeing, it might be better to just accept the fact that she is gone forever… and only probably a combination of luck / carelessness on someone’s behalf will open a door to the truth.

    People go missing some are never found. I’d reckon this is one of those cases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    It's a bit of a dumb answer I think.

    It's not only 18 years later but it's a very long head start for the criminal.

    I'd say the only safe way for a conviction would be DNA as well as a body. They seem to have neither, otherwise Brueckner wouldn't be out of jail. It's possible the German police have something circumstancial on Brueckner but are neither releasing to the public what that is, only confirming that it's very weak and not enough for an indictment. It's possible it's only a hunch they have. As far as I know the investigation is still classified as ongoing.

    If Brueckner really did it, he'd disposed of the body somewhere either at sea and made sure that she wouldn't be washed ashore or burried her where she'd never be found / located or even suspected. He'd shut down his phone at that time.

    The only reason why he'd have his phone on at the night of the disappearance would be to get a possible warning by an accomplice if say the prime objective was to burgle a holiday home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,364 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    They have evidence, but not strong enough in a court of law. Crazy that he's free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Nothing really crazy. Wolters has nothing on Brueckner.

    Rapists and child rapists are always treated different by society no matter if he did his time in jail or not. Brueckner should have considered this before he did the crime and he will always be associated with any kind of crime of this nature, no matter if he had something to do with Madeleine or not.

    I my opinion Brueckner seems lost outside of jail. He can't contribute to society, most likely nobody will hire him, socially everyone will avoid him and also he can't start over as he can't leave the country, - at least not legally.

    I think he's got three choices:

    Suicide, go back to jail voluntarily ( if that's even possible), or flee the country illegally in hopes nobody will find him and extradite him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭AugustRain


    Anyone who observed the level of demonic hatred the McCanns attracted, amongst a certain sad section of society, in the years following the disappearance of their child cannot be surprised that it has finally ended in a big court case.
    The clearly very stupid, possibly mentally unwell Polish woman would possibly have been scared away from her attempts at attention craving had it not been for the help encouragement and support of the odious Karen Spragg.
    whatever about the Polish woman I hope Spragg is convicted and punished.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I don't think it's demonic hatred. It's just that society is very much split.

    Leaving infants and babies alone and unsupervised whilst the door wasn't locked and that all intentionally is one thing, having hate for the parents is another thing. And then there is the very much to date possibility of covering up an accident, which can be very much true same as Brueckner stealing Madeleine and raping her and then killing her and hiding her body.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Word from Germany has it that Brueckner is living out on the streets, spending the nights in a tent in some park. If recognized in public he's often shamed and verbally threated, same around the social housing apartment which has been assigned to him.



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