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Donaghmede thread and immigration

  • 16-10-2025 01:32PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,548 ✭✭✭


    Have to say the moderation is far too tight on this from Necro.

    The topic incident involves a Somalian IPA (per Newstalk) alledgedly murdering a Ukrainian IPA (widely reported) with a staff member injured in the crossfire.

    If you were talking to someone on the street about this, you'd expect items like child safety, government policy and standards, public safety and immigration to be prevalent.

    Why is it then that we can't have a natural flow on this topic without Necro selectively deleting posts to do with immigration and leaving certain posts remain? Necro tells me we can discuss this Donaghmede incident in the immigration thread, but no immigration in the Donaghmede thread. Yet Donaghmede thread is clearly where the discussion is at. When I put it to Necro that there are posts in the thread still there on wider immigration, Necro left the conversation.

    This is way overdoing it.

    Post edited by Spear on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭satguy


    Their killing the site by driving away posters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,607 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's not a natural flow, though. It's the same people posting the same stuff over and over and over again. There's already an open immigration thread that these posts can go into. All Necro asked for was that the Donaghmede thread remain about the Donaghmede incident.

    I don't see what the problem is, honestly.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,548 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Can you please explain how immigration is not a potential part of the discussion within a thread where one immigrant has murdered another immigrant, because our country's immigration policy has placed them together in a Tusla apartment? Does our vetting system not at least come into this?

    Someone made a general point about immigration within the topic, am I supposed to DM them in response? Or post a reply saying let's debate this if we spend a couple minutes to find the immigration thread where this topic isn't happening at all? My point is one issue can be related to two topics. We've numerous sporting threads where the same topic crosses over into another. We've two presidential threads about the same thing.

    Just because it naturally found its way to immigration, doesn't mean the conversation needs to be suppressed. The post I responded too is still there on page 2 by the way, so consistency isn't there either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,607 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I did so above.

    There's no reason you can't use the immigration thread to discuss immigration as a general topic.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,548 ✭✭✭dmakc


    My point is one issue can be related to two topics. We've numerous sporting threads where the same topic crosses over into another. We've two presidential threads about the exact same thing. But suddenly here it's as if boards is being charged by the word count or something?

    The conversation was happening in Donaghmede thread, and looks pretty dead now thanks to over-moderation and inconsistent deletions from Necro. There was no parallel conversation in the immigration thread.

    Just because you don't personally like the posts ('same people posting the same stuff over and over and over again') doesn't mean you can't let it flow.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,607 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    If you want to have a serious conversation, that's fine. If you want ad hominems and conspiracy muck, I won't be wasting any more time on this.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    "The topic incident involves a Somalian IPA (per Newstalk) alledgedly murdering a Ukrainian IPA (widely reported) with a staff member injured in the crossfire."

    Who's 'widely reporting' allegations?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,548 ✭✭✭dmakc


    I am being serious. And you still haven't answered my question. I asked how we can have the Donaghmede topic without immigration naturally forming part of the discussion, considering it's literally our immigration policy that lead to this incident. Saying "it's not a natural flow / same people discussing same stuff over and over and over" doesn't answer my question. So I'll ask again?

    I was also asking Necro why there are still general immigration posts present, or what is their threshold here? They couldn't distinguish either.

    For what it's worth, Necro has also privately accused me of lies in saying that they left our conversation. I'd like to clarify that Necro did not click the button to "leave the conversation" (which I did not know existed at the time of my statement). I was going by when they privately told me "I am declining to further engage. I won't be responding further", which to my understanding was leaving a conversation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,548 ✭✭✭dmakc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,325 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    of course the topic of immigration is relevant to what happened in Donaghmede, how else did those 4 lads end up in an apartment in the north of Dublin. Over strict moderation is killing the site



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    The deceased person being Ukrainian is widely reported, that the Somali IPA in hospital 'murdered him' isn't. That bit you made up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,548 ✭✭✭dmakc


    I didn't say that a Somalian IPA murdering a Ukrainian IPA was widely reported though, did I?

    I said the victim being Ukrainian is widely reported. This wasn't quite the gotcha you thought it was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    What you posted:

    "The topic incident involves a Somalian IPA (per Newstalk) alledgedly murdering a Ukrainian IPA (widely reported) with a staff member injured in the crossfire."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,548 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Yes. Somali reported by Newstalk. Murder is alleged. Victim being Ukrainian is widely reported.

    I only said the victim being Ukrainian is widely reported. Not a gotcha 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Well there you go again, being dead doesn't necessarily make that person a 'victim' or surviving with 'serious but non-life threatening injuries' make that person a 'murder'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,548 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Sorry but is this satire or do you always go down swinging? I didn't say victim in OP, I literally used it as a phrase in the last reply (unrelated to the original point that you're still wrong on) but if it makes you feel better I can change it "deceased" for you?

    Give me strength.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭emo72


    Wrong thread. Sorry lads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    What happened to letting threads meander?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    I responded to somebody calling people racists who didn't agree that asylum seekers were a nett positive and got my post deleted and then got forum banned for questioning the moderation. The same moderator that gave me a 2 week ban before for something he decided was an anecdote. I've had a lot of my posts on the immigration thread deleted, I assume for wrong think.

    Probably doing me a favour because why would I bother using this anymore!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,548 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Agree. Another raft of deletions since, it's almost as if the thread would naturally flow in/out of migration. Still no rational answers for doing so, all we've gotten are "same thing over and over and over again" and "duplicating the discussion", as two presidential threads rest on the top page all week.

    It'll obviously close once the courts come around anyway, my point is suppressing a significant part of the issue in Donaghmede only leads to an incomplete and misleading dicussion, orchestrated retrospectively by Necro.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    You can't discuss immigration in a thread about an asylum seeker murdering a Ukrainian.

    What exactly can you discuss if you can't discuss immigration on the topic.

    Immigration is impacting several different things such as housing, are we to condense all these discussions into one big mega thread and have the forum look dead.

    The biggest current affairs of the week can't be visible on the main page of the current affairs forum.

    This all because a few mods don't like the negative impacts of immigration being discussed.

    Mods actually trying to reduce the traffic on the forum.

    This place is honestly doing its best to wind itself down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭ElitesTeam


    This site is dead because of censorship mods like necro. Ban any discussion that does not agree with mainstream media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,707 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Nothing it will a site quicker than general ranting about the same issue in every other thread. Just repeating the same things over and over.

    It's usual in most forums to group singular issues into one master thread. There are a number of issues which are restricted to one master thread. It's normal across a few areas. Because people wanted to spam everywhere. Derailing and disrupting lots of threads.

    I would assume there are issues unique to that incidence. That is what should be in that thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,707 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    How do you know the dispute wasn't about someone using another person's phone charger?

    If two people get in a fight on a bus. You don't have a discussion about buses causing fights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,351 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Hold on.


    Am I reading this correctly that the 17 year old who was stabbed to death was somehow his fault for seeking refuge in Ireland????



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,548 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Not sure what point you're attempting to make here. In my view, what difference if the dispute was about phone charger or food (as was reported)? A bus would endanger the public even moreso than a Tusla apartment. FWIW people are discussing the apartment aspect.

    Policy on the other hand. Are you claiming Ireland's immigration policy played zero part in the occurance of this incident?



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,709 Mod ✭✭✭✭TherapyBoy


    ”..Are you claiming Ireland's immigration policy played zero part in the occurance of this incident?”


    You want to talk about it in here too? Should I change the name of the Help Desk forum?

    This is very simple @dmakc - pick an appropriate place to have the conversation you want to have. If you want to talk about the incident in Donaghmede there’s a thread for that. If you want to talk about immigration issues in Ireland there’s a thread for that too. Having the same conversation in 15 different places is very messy & confusing for users.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,548 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Was responding to a query.

    The appropriate place to talk about this would be the Donaghmede thread, where the discussion about the incident is happening, but no mod has been able to substantiate a legitimate reason for censoring the immigration aspect of the discussion other than their personal feelings. Duplication doesn't work as its not being discussed in the immigration thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,707 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I think you've proved the point. You want to discuss the policy not the incident.

    I understand the issues around moderation filtering. But I think the mod has a point in this instance. Because it will be a runaway train otherwise, and you'll end up with every thread being an immigration thread.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,548 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Incorrect, I asked about policy to bring us back to its actual relevance rather than the speculation about phone chargers.

    I only want policy to be allowed as part of the discussion - not BE the discussion - considering it has contributed to this incident. Censoring the discussion from this aspect is inauthentic, and a poor reflection of the moderation. I also never said that I don't want to discuss the incident, you've made that part up.

    All I'm saying is there are multiple components to this particular case and an open discussion should be allowed to cater for this, rather than funneling immigration policy away to the immigration thread. There's probably a Tusla childcare thread we can further break away into if we wanted to. If you don't like immigration talk, there's nothing stopping you diverting to another direction i.e. if there were grounds for it being over a phone charger - it's all relevant to the incident in my book.

    Post edited by dmakc on


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