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One Battle After Another

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,863 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Wow that's a really bad policy for watching movies in my opinion. You don't have to like characters or do they have to be likeable in order to enjoy a movie.

    So many movies can be about bad characters but still compelling viewing (Downfall springs to mind for me), and also making a decision after 20 minutes is ridiculous, especially in this case as the first 20 are frenetic and there's a lot of narratives to be explained before coming to an end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭El Duda


    Needing likeable characters to enjoy a film is just nonsense

    "Ooh, I don't like that they did a bad thing" grow up FFS. Expecting everyone and everything to adhere to your own moralistic ideals is just stupid. People are flawed. Some of the greatest people to have ever lived have carried our atrocious acts. It's all part of life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,555 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Also, it would mean that you couldn't watch any serial killer movie, any gangster movie, horror movie etc

    It's a bit silly!

    Post edited by MrStuffins on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    To be honest i thought Leo was likeable as was the Del Toro character. In relation to PTA the character played by Daniel day Lewis in There will be blood was dislikeable for the majority of the movie but it was still a great story to watch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,199 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    Yeah this movie has one of PTA's most likeable and sympathetic protagonists imo.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,392 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    you don’t have to like the characters to like the movie but every movie I love has characters your are emotionally invested in.

    Making an enjoyable movie that hasnt characters that you can emotionally invest in would be a much tougher but not impossible ask.


    it would need to be a visually stunning movie or have incredible acting or some kind of alternative hook like an incredible twist ending.

    The character I was most emotionally invested in in this movie was probably Sean penn’s. He was a fairly unique character brilliantly portrayed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭FullBack Jam


    In fairness, I think the poster may be a little misrepresented. He or she said that they didn't feel the characters were likable, entertaining, interesting. There's a difference between saying a character should be likable and interesting, and a character should be a nice person. E.g. Heath Ledgers The Joker is entertaining and interesting, but certainly not a goody two shoes.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,023 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    As was entirely expected, the film will not make its money back due to a blockbuster budget. But I have to chuckle at the premise of articles like this painting it as a flop. Quite frankly, a PT Anderson film making $150-200 million is a total triumph and one of the positive cinema stories of 2025 - that's well over double what his previous biggest hits made, for a film that does not in any way feel artistically compromised by its bigger budget or more accessible flavour. Warner Bros made a dubious bet, but we got a truly great film out of it. More than happy to let executives sweat over the maths.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭howdydoo83


    There is also no way they spent 70m on promos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,863 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    It's sad though as films like these need to be made and the next generic super here movie without any intelligence or heart will take in a billion dollars.

    Also, usually when I go to cinema it's very quite (apart from IFI) and i do worry about the future.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,369 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I disagree with the premise that characters don't need to be likeable. They clearly do or why should the audience care about them? Likeable is very different from being morally good, obviously. The Joker is clearly a moral vacuum while also being very, very popular across different incarnations.

    For OBAA, I just couldn't have cared less about the characters. I don't know what it is but I just wasn't interested which makes me sad because this was clearly a very well made film with no obvious things to criticise.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Did you like the main character in There will be blood? I thought he was a terrible person but enjoyed the movie. I think that the general consensus on that movie was that the main character was a monster, but still alot of people enjoyed it. In some movies the audience is actively wanting the main character to get their comeuppance.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,369 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I didn't like the film. It's an incredible performance from Day-Lewis which makes the character compelling if not likeable.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Ah i think there's a lot of films like that where the main characters are written as dislikeable but interesting and the films are compelling like Scarface, Nightcrawler and A clockwork orange. I think its brave when the writers anchor their film to a dislikeable character.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,369 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Fair point. I stand by what I said though. I just didn't find anyone in this film to be compelling at all, except Sean Penn's character.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭fatbhoy


    I went to see it solo in Vue Liffey Valley midweek at about 9pm, hoping to escape into an enjoyable film in an almost empty screening, comfortable seats, nice and warm. I left after about 30 minutes because of its leftist political bias. I can't remember the last film I bailed on, in fact, this might have been the first. Glad it only cost me 6.99. That's what I love about Vue Liffey Valley: cheap, comfortable un-cramped seating, and usually almost empty if you get the right screening at the right time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,741 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    If someone really is compelled to leave a movie after a half hour, like, ok, if it really actually did so little to capture your interest, but why then waste more of their time by posting about it?

    Also daresay you missed the point if what you saw was leftist political bias. Or maybe that's just cause you only gave the movie 30 minutes, so, actually, have no idea what its about..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I think perhaps then you missed the parts where the leftist group was criticised, shown to be mostly traitorous,killing innocent people and being mostly incompetent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,863 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    You know films can portray characters or groups with certain political opinions without condoning what they do or stand for.
    It’s fiction and a story. Also the first 20 to 30 minutes it was impossible to know what way the movie was going to go so leaving then is just crazy.

    So would you walk out if the movie was about the Bolsheviks in 1917 or the rise of the Nazis in 1930s Germany?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,555 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins




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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,369 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I can't imagine being this thin-skinned, honestly. If I'd paid for the thing, I'd be seeing the whole thing. Independence Day: Resurgence and the Mrs. Browns' Boys film both seriously tested me though.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,555 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    I hate using the term, but it's proper snowflake stuff. Imagine being so sensitive that you can't even sit through a movie you've paid for, from one of the great directors, starring some of the best actors to have ever graced the screen…….. because there are fictional characters who have a different political opinion to you 😂

    It really does show how social media had poisoned people. This would NEVER have been a thing in the 90s for example. People were able to function normally, consume media that showed viewpoints form all across the political spectrum and not see themselves as some sort of victim when someone said something they disagreed with.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,369 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Big tech has been working for years to isolate and divide people. Time was, as you've alluded to, someone coming out with something so daft as the above would have been ridicules by their peers. Nowadays, they have echo chambers where they get their nonsense endlessly validated and promoted.

    If I can sit through Brendan O'Carroll being openly and painfully racist, I can sit through anything.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭howdydoo83


    Yup, a made up story too. Imagine admitting to that in real life and not some strangers on the internet to get a reaction...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭artvanderlay


    That's exactly what I said. Thank you. I love how people misconstrue words to suit their agenda.

    I think you have to want to spend time with the characters - now that could be because they are likeable/entertaining, or because they are horrible, but somewhat interesting/charming, and you want to see what they do (I'm thinking Goodfellas or Sopranos; I don't want to be their neighbour but there is an entertaining voyeurism to be had in watching their lives.) There's also a difference between Hannibal Lector/Dexter and Henry in Portrait of a serial killer - I don't want to spend time with the latter, but he is probably what most serial killers are really like. My point about this film was that I didn't want to spend time with any of the characters here, because I wasn't invested in them in any way, except for maybe the Sean Penn character, who held some interest and sure as hell wasn't likeable from what I saw!

    What I do find entertaining is when a director's fans take offence to someone having a negative opinion about their film - I'm thinking Christopher Nolan especially, and PTA since There Will Be Blood. They can't resist telling you that your opinion is wrong and why. Funny :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭artvanderlay


    Yeah, I agree with this to an extent but I think there is a difference between the types of films/performances. I have seen Nightcrawler, and that was one of the most odious characters I have ever seen on screen (plus I don't like Jake Gyllenhaal anyways, which doubled the effect!): I watched it once, would never watch it again, because that character is very off-putting, but seems closer to real life. Something like Scarface though, I have seen many times, because, even though Tony is another odious piece of ****, it's almost cartoonish - Pacino plays him as such a terrible human being that it's entertaining how much he wants us to dislike him. I have no problem with dislikeable characters, but I think if it's too close to reality, it puts me off.



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