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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I don't think that you intended it but the use of "the Ukraine" rather than "Ukraine" is a Russian trope. We have Russian sympathisers like Wallace, Daly and Connolly describing Russia's invasion of the Ukraine rather than Russia's invasion of Ukraine as an indicator that it is a mere province of Russia rather than a State in its own right. Here is an article that explains it quite well:

    https://www.sapiens.org/language/ukraine-versus-the-ukraine/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,416 ✭✭✭corkie


    In IT today?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2025/10/14/brian-leddin-why-i-resigned-from-the-green-party-over-its-decision-to-back-catherine-connolly/

    One-time Green Party TD Brian Leddin leaves party over Connolly endorsement while deputy leader Róisín Garvey steps down for, as yet, unspecified reasons ~ Who cares about him or his views? Are the greens even relevant any more?

    Most of his objections have already been voiced by people on here, I think?

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Somebody needs to show that procedure wasn't followed here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Id love a center left European Union coalition to win power in Brussels. I dont think its as important as beating FFG in domestic politics. Broadly speaking though, if our left wing could unite with the pro european branch of Social Democtraic parties, id be all for it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_of_European_Socialists

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Alliance_of_Socialists_and_Democrats

    These blocks are pro European, but are social democrats, and socialists.

    Unfortunitely, very often, politicians like Daly, Wallace, and other members of the Activist Left, tend to join the more Eurosceptic Leftwing Bloc in the European Parliament.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Left_Alliance_for_the_People_and_the_Planet

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_of_the_European_Left

    Catherine Connolly, were she to sit in the European Parliament, she would be in the later grouping. Which, like it or lump it, is Eurosceptic.

    I think there needs to be a debate on the left, probably across Europe, but certainly in Ireland. I for one, am pro-European Union, and left wing, and i dont see anything paradoxical about that. Love to know where others stand. But this is not a smear on Connolly. Quite honestly, if you asked her which bloc she would support, id be STUNNED if she didnt choose one of the Soft Eurosceptic Blocs. She is not alone in that, I think before brexit, you could certainly have grouped SF into the same groupings. Point of fact, they remain somewhat too associated with the more eurosceptic branch of European Left Wing Politics. But not so much as Connolly, Daly et al

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Yes, she may still be pro-European, but she is certainly not pro-EU. It seems she does favour some sort of basic economic co-operation, but whether she is living in the 1950s world of the ECSC or a later version of the EEC is unclear.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You said that you would trust CC's judgement no matter what, that matters more than what the gardai or the courts think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,805 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Catherine Connolly isn't centre-left

    Sinn Féin aren't centre-left.

    People Before Profit aren't centre-left.

    It is clearly demonstrated by Labour and Green representatives repudiating Connolly in droves, as they are.

    A united left in Ireland? Not in the last hundred years. Not in the next hundred.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    All he seems to have achieved (Reddin) is to have his history regurgitated on Social Media and it's a history he might have being better not having brought up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nobody knows what the Gardai thought. You might think you do, but you don't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The woman never got security clearance, that speaks for itself.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭liamtech


    I think its understandable. I agree RE the Irish Language, despite hating when it is politicized. But its a mark against Humphreys for sure. That and, she is NOT a good candidate. Can you imagine how well McGuinness would be doing had she been the candidate. I suspect it would be over by now.

    There is a huge deficit in thinking among younger generations of voters, when it comes to the EU. I hoped the way that the Union stood by us during the brexit debacle, would shore up good feeling for Brussels. I think that has happened a bit, but not enough. And its being superceded by yet more 'hysterical Anti Western' discourse by the hard, radical, and somewhat populist left. For me, id have to include Connolly in that bloc.

    And for me, this is not a smear. Its factual, we can literally point to the stances that she, and Daly/Wallace et al, have taken over the years. Its factual.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    This is anecdotal but I have met quite a few young British people who had no idea that Brexit meant reducing their chances of moving to the south of Europe to live and work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,805 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Is that bead of sweat I hear Francie?

    The wagons are circling around Heather now, and Connolly is being left to the Injuns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Anyone who is a serious Green will not be voting for Connolly, a woman who has repeatedly voted against carbon taxes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Yea a slip of the tongue. Im fond of reading a lot of history books, and Ukraine is frequently referred to as 'the Ukraine' - Iv tried to nip it in the bud! lol.. It was the same with Kyiv, versus Kiev - although i do mostly remember this now

    I think the entire Brexit debacle reeked from day one. When you look at how the campaign was waged. Most people didnt know that Brexit would involve leaving the customs union, and single market. There are plenty of videos online where hard brexiteers stated clearly that they wished to remain in both. But once they won the ref, they went all for a Hard Brexit and to leave both the CU and SM. And thats not even mentioning the fear mongering over Turkey Joining, Refugees, or the 350 million a week for the NHS.

    Most didnt associate it with anything beyond 'Taking Back Control' - of what, we may ask- and when we enquired they couldnt say!

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,096 ✭✭✭MFPM


    It is getting simpler and simpler for me to vote HH.

    A shocking revelation GDG - like I said to liamtech when he revealed his support the right wing candidate, I'm just shocked it took you so long to declare it!

    CC wants the SCC abolished

    As a supporter of democracy and human rights and civil liberties of course she is and she's correct. There was never any justification for it but there certainly isn't now given technological advances for one.

    is very anti EU

    No, she just has a different view to the 'EU' that many on the right, doesn't make her anti - these reductive binary choices are tiresome, frankly.

    Younger voters have no real clue how much of benefit the EU has been to Ireland, nor appreciate the importance of the SCC.

    Patronising much? How have you gathered the data to support this contention and your use of the word 'importance' is subjective.

    It is much easier to be idealistic when younger. But there is a cohort on the left Connolly included who never grew beyond that.

    And more patronising comment….Who's being idealistic, where's this idealism?

    How does one define 'never grew up' - that they don't agree with you, that they don't subcribe to your world view, that they may have a different economic view point than you, that they may have different life experiences from which they drew political conclusions?

    Back to the start of my post, it's of no surprise you're throwing your lot in with HH, one can just hope that come the 24th of October a majority of those who exercise their franchise take a it more of a rounded view of the candidates and see through the thoroughly disingenuous media framing of CC during this campaign and vote for her, someone who actaully has something of merit and interest to say as distinct from 'I'm not a yes woman' HH 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Thenks for posting the link to the I.T. article by Brian Leddin. It doesn't appear to be in the print edition for which I fork out €2.60 most days. A disgraceful editoorial performance from a badly-edited newspaper, leaving a very relevant contribution to the Presidential denate out of the pronted newspaper.

    Leddin nailed it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭jmcc


    There seems to be two Green Parties. The first is the traditional Green Party. The second is the Social Justice types who ended up in the Greens after Labour imploded in 2016. Those are closer politically to Labour as is O'Gorman. There was a description a few years ago of the Greens being FG on bikes. It wasn't too far from the truth pre-2016. It is not surprising that some Greens would back Humphreys.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Her response to the Russia issue does not satisfy me on RTE News just now.

    Belately saying she condemns Russia. But during this war she also attended a neutrality forum, which included George Galloway, who used to work on Sputnik, the foreign service of RT, the Russian state owned channel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,593 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I actually had a discussion as Gaeilge re the two candidates last weekend. Odd experience, especially after a few pints.

    One fella (from An Gaeltacht) was out and out for Connolly was horrified that I would even consider Humphreys as she didn’t learn Irish. And won’t learn it according to him. Called Connolly a kind woman. And called Humphreys a lier.

    Another fella with fluent Irish, was unsure on Connolly re Russia etc. And a third fella quietly pointed out to me, if I used to vote Labour. I should go Connolly.

    As for the EU the MEP’s are out of sight out of mind. There was some EU programme on Irish telly last night. Kelleher was on it I knew him (obviously)

    But there was a FG MEP with glasses I never heard of. And don’t ask me to list off the EU broad political groupings, I would only be guessing.

    So it is no wonder the younger voter wouldn’t pay heed to the EU. If the likes of me only know bits from Euronews. The younger voter’s knowledge will be even less.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Go do your due diligence, there are multiple times she condemned Russia in the Dáil,



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    What different view? I have not seen her ever offer it, only repeated and incessant criticism of every decision that is actually made and every direction taken.

    She is here buying right into the "Project Fear" nonsense and can only offer criticisms left, right and centre of the Irish govt the English (sic) govt and the EU. You would think that her being so painfully wrong about "Project Fear" would cause her a moment's introspection - but that truly does not seem to be something she is capable of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Can i ask you a straightforward question.

    Were you about to vote in a European Parliamentary Election, how would you vote? Which Left Wing groups would you preference, and in what order?

    Its a genuine question, and i am curious. As regards my positioning, I still question the benefits of voting Sinn Fein in a european election, because of their previous eurosceptic positions. That said, I think their stance on Europe has improved dramatically in the last decade, especially in the wake of Brexit.

    For me it would be 1. Labour 2. Sinn Fein 3. SocDem -

    Which contrasts with a general election - 1SF, 2Labour, 3Socdems - i do sometimes vote tactically, so as to benefit the weaker left wing candidate in my constituency - i try to keep them in the count as long as possible, but sometimes get it wrong, if i miss-judge which lefty is weaker/stronger

    For the record

    Labour - Party of European Socialists

    Soc Dems - never actually had an elected MEP, but arguably the same as the above

    Sinn Fein - The Left (very soft/mild eurosceptic)

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    And every last one of them is followed within 10 seconds with a condemnation of NATO - which is just parroting clearly false Russian propaganda about the invasion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    Not too be smart but is that a serious question? Israel has murdered 6 people today in Gaza after the ceasefire (and that's what we know about) I'd put money on more will come out over next few hours

    Harris, FG and FF have been allowing out airspace to be used by America and Israel for years. It's well documented what they are allowing to happen

    It's probably not the thread for it but if Catherine is being asked about everything and anything, Heather who last week said what difference would passing the OTB make to yesterday saying we need to pass the OTB needs to be asked does she agree with FG giving permission for these planes to land and fly over our airspace



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I agree that the Irish language is a strong point for CC.

    I spoke to someone a few moments ago and when I said I wasnt voting for CC they said "why" and I explained. I get the impression quite a lot of Irish people do not know about the controversies like the Ni Shonnain appointment, her positions on Russia/Ukraine etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yes, she makes no bones that there is blame to be apportioned across the world.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    And she is wrong. As anyone who listened to the numerous times Putin exclaimed that Ukraine wasn't a real country and needed to come back under Russian control would know. She just cannot miss a chance to blame everything on the West.

    When she talks about Gaza she doesn't immediately mention Oct 7th and suggest its partly their fault even though that had an actual causal impact. The double standards are astounding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭liamtech


    This is a really alarming position to have.

    NATO had no hand in this conflict. There is a perception in Russia, fostered by Putin, that NATO is expansionist. That is what he has used to justify his behavior. But it remains his perception, or more likely, his red herring. It may be that in some future negotiations, the west will have to 'acknowledge grievences' RE NATO; but it will simply be a negotiating tactic.

    If Putin wanted to explore a real grievance with NATO, he could have done so at the negotiating table. He was offered assurances that Ukraine would not be permitted to join NATO, by Macron in a face to face meeting before the war. It didnt matter, he still invaded because NATO is not the real issue.

    Ukrainian independence and sovereignty is the real issue. Putin doesnt view Ukraine as an independent country, and he wants to establish a sphere of influence over these former soviet spaces.

    No realistic blame can be apportioned to anyone else, other than Vladimir Putin, and his Russian Federation.

    What I am entirely unsure of is this

    • Do people actually believe these Connolly talking points RE NATO being responsible for the war
    • Do people Feel the Need to adhere to these talking points, simply because Connolly is the candidate.

    The former is poor form, but somewhat understandable in political terms. The latter, is bewildering.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭almostover


    Genuine question. And yes I do acknowledge that the US is not an innocent actor in the Israeli genocide of the past 2 years.

    And if in fact that stop over is carrying arms or troops destined to help Israel kill more Palestinians then it should be nowhere near Shannon. Harris would be very duplicitous if he knowingly allowed that given his previous condemnation (rightly so) of Israel's behaviour.

    We don't know what was on board that plane, and it's likely that it won't be made public. Harris is minister for foreign affairs and his judgement will have to be trusted on this. And if it's proven that the plane was carrying munitions etc. then the people of Wicklow are those positioned to displace Harris from his Dáil seat in 4 years time if they so wish.

    It's a sideshow to the current debate on the presidential election and there are other threads for discussing it.



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