Israel/Palestine Thread

SeanW · 13-10-2025 11:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123903481#Comment_123903481

No, since most of those were collateral damage.
No, I regard the statement is more questionable than condemnable.
Ditto.
Because they tell us so with practically every pro-Palestine march. And pro-Palestine activism is associated with Leftist (and Jihadi) activism.

dmcdona · 13-10-2025 11:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123903506#Comment_123903506

Thank you.

SafeSurfer · 14-10-2025 12:41AM

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Ah now, come on. He has a mandate. At the last election he lost his deposit.
I can’t recall any Irish people of Serbian heritage on the airwaves after the Serbian genocide, arguing about how the genocide victims were legitimate targets.

SafeSurfer · 14-10-2025 12:44AM

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You claim pro Palestinian activism is associated with leftists.

Would you say that pro Ukrainian activism is associated with rightists?

dePeatrick · 14-10-2025 03:38AM

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The term ‘antisemitism’ is a made up word of German origins meant to replace Judenhass, It has no scientific basis. It amuses me to hear someone like Shatter use it, usually as a last resort in an argument.

Its use has lost all of it’s intended power and will never have it again.

dePeatrick · 14-10-2025 04:13AM

Don’t usually get his cartoons but this is good.

Lawlesz · 14-10-2025 04:20AM

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Ah welcome back.

ceadaoin. · 14-10-2025 05:19AM

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Ah cheers. Here's me living my life, didn't know people were keeping tabs on me and that I'm supposed to be on this thread 24/7 lol. 👍 Honestly, I do tend to avoid posting because it's become rabid in here over the past couple of months, but, as you were. May the ceasefire last 🙏

Lawlesz · 14-10-2025 05:30AM

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It’s just convenient that when you’re caught out or held to account for telling falsehoods, you disappear and resurface a few days later without actually responding and just move on to the next topic. It makes it very hard for people to take this kind of posting seriously.

ceadaoin. · 14-10-2025 06:19AM

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I dont think I do that, I just dont like being harangued on a casual internet forum. When was I "caught out"? If you check my posting history, which I'm sure you do then you will see that i acknowledged I might have been wrong about Naama Levy saying she wasn't sexually assaulted. As it turns out, I dont think I was wrong about that, and the person who claimed it was the case never provided any actual evidence.

If you're talking about me saying that I didn't see any zionists being against the ceasefire deal, then I would have imagined it's fairly obvious I was talking about "regular" people online, aka the general mood of things. The only people that seem to have a problem with it are the militant anti israel types. I dont follow what the Israeli government are saying. If that person did say that then he's a dick. Every single jewish/ Israeli/zionist/any combination of the above person I know is happy about the deal, and hopeful that the conflict can end, and thats real life people, not online.

Lawlesz · 14-10-2025 06:33AM

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Nobody is haranguing you and if you feel that that was haranguing then maybe the internet isn’t the best place for you.

It was the second part I referred to. When you seemed to take great glee in accusing anybody being against the deal as being pro Hamas. It was put to you that you were clearly wrong and you disappeared.

It happens over and over again here, people float in and out of the thread, throwing around accusations and when they are shown to be wrong, they disappear. That’s precisely what you did and you were called out on it.

Grayson · 14-10-2025 06:36AM

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It's not like everything is suddenly ok in Palestine. The occupation and settlement of the westbank is still occurring. And gaza is still a wasteland. There's still people starving there. You seem to think that because the bombs have stopped that people should forget crimes that israel has committed and crimes it continues to commit.

You can disagree on the form their protesting takes, but saying they should just forget pretend everything is ok is a bit far.

Grayson · 14-10-2025 06:40AM

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For me, I believe the legal definition of genocide was met. But I also believe it doesn't matter. The legal definition requires them to be committing horrific crimes with a particular intent. The fact is that those horrific crimes occurred one way or another. Some people want to argue that because it's not the legal definition of genocide it's all ok. That's the point they get wrapped up on, ignoring the fact that war crimes and crimes against humanity are occurring.

NIMAN · 14-10-2025 06:45AM

Id say those released Palestinians will get one almighty shock when they return to Gaza and see what's left of it.

Last time they saw it, it was a densely populated, vibrant, busy place. Now to return to a wasteland with barely any buildings standing.

Grayson · 14-10-2025 06:59AM

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people celebrating their loved ones returning should be policed?

ceadaoin. · 14-10-2025 07:07AM

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Well, I'm in a different time zone to ireland, but also, I took "great glee"? Get a grip. Pretty sure I didn't do that but ok, if you think I did then I'm sure you have quotes of me being gleeful?

I dont take any "glee" about a terrible war. I've said on numerous occasions that I hope it will end/am happy there's a ceasefire, but keep projecting 👍 says more about you tbh I dont follow your posts as you seem to mine, but arent you happy that there is a hopefully permanent ceasefire deal?

dmcdona · 14-10-2025 07:16AM

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Some of those returned are discovering that their families have been exterminated.

wildgreen · 14-10-2025 07:39AM

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He was saving Palestinians from dying.

Cluedo Monopoly · 14-10-2025 07:41AM

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You use words like conflict and war and ceasefire when All of the killing and maiming and bombing and starving was done by one side for the past 2 years. Those blinkers too tight? Anyway until you get caught out again and do another Houdini act...

wildgreen · 14-10-2025 07:43AM

It took two years to organise a meeting and two days to cancel it. Israel still has the West in a vice grip supporting its ethnic cleansing and genocide.

https://eurovisionworld.com/esc/ebu-cancels-extraordinary-vote-on-israels-eurovision-participation

Field east · 14-10-2025 07:51AM

Re the 28 dead hostages. Was it not a bit unrealistic to expect Hamas to return. 28 dead hostages by 12 0 clock , Irish Time because :-

(1). Is the figure of 28 a residual figure? Ie. there were , was it, 245 hostages taken and all have been accounted for - 217 returned dead or alive. I would assume that a number were killed by falling debris , trapped under collapsed buildings , died from ‘natural ‘ causes.

(2) so, following on from no 1 the 28 could be anyplace. I would not expect Hamas, et al, to start digging through. Tons of rubble, completely blocked underground tunnels, etc, to retrieve the ‘dead’ - especially dead Israelis

(3). Is it the case also that Hamas was not the only Palestinian group holding hostages. And if that is the case and some of them re now fighting eachother then that makes trying to meet the deadline on Monday last almost impossible.

(4) it is further complicated by the possibility of others being killed along with the hostages with being berried under eg collapsing buildings and the decomposition of bodies and who is who could become a problem.

(5) The ‘cease fire’ agreement was ‘ finalised’ on Friday last and the deadline for returning the remaining live and dead hostages was mid day on the following Monday. An EXTREMELY short time span. Did the US think that the bodies were kept in cold storage and ready for IMzmzeDIzatE release once requested?

Did the Hamas side not realise the above during negotiations and point out that returning the 28 not only will take more time but a lot of them have to be be ‘found/located’?

And did the ‘Trump’ side not realise the above points also and therefor have a separate deadline for the returning of the dead..

If the above is substantially the case then it is a good indicator :-

(a ) of how sloppy the whole thing was - including the complete exclusion of having any reference to the West Bank situation

(2) of part of Trumps strategy to deflect from the Epstein files

(3) enhance his profile as a ‘peace maker’

(4) of a muddled attempt to put himself in line for Nobel

(5) Of further massaging of his ego and to show the World how influential and powerful the US is

NIMAN · 14-10-2025 07:53AM

I watched on nervously with all the hoopla and excitement about yesterday's events.

Yes of course its a good thing the slaughter has stopped and hostage returned. But there is a massive way to go and it could all easily fall down and go back to killing. Its very thin ice.

Not sure what the future holds now for Gaza? Aren't Hamas meant to disarm and go away? Will that happen? Will Israel find some small excuse to start another invasion?

And what of the Gaza devastation? Who js going to rebuild it

Lawlesz · 14-10-2025 07:53AM

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The post in question was from 5 days ago, which time zone are you in because that’s a hell of a difference

“Strange. The only people I see who dont seem happy about this deal definitely arent zionists”.

That’s what you said with more than a hint of smugness. And then it was pointed out to you what members of the Israeli government said, you disappeared for 5 days and came back with the pitiful response that you don’t follow what the Israeli government say. Maybe you should pay attention to what they say, because it would better inform you and a lot of what has happened over the last 2 years would start to make sense.

It is utterly utterly bizarre that anybody commenting on a public forum about the barbarity of the last 2 years would do so without paying attention to the rhetoric from the side carrying that out. Talk about burying your head in the sand…

As to your question, I am happy the bimbing and murder of civilians has stopped, happy hostages on both sides get to return to their families, unfortunately I have no faith it will be permanent, as the Israeli government are not to be trusted (nor for that matter are Hamas). My own thoughts is the Israeli government will invent a story that Hamas have broken the terms and resume their genocide

as @Grayson pointed out above, it’s not like everything is now fine and life can go on as normal. The Israelis are still breaking international law on a daily basis, Gaza is in ruins, bodies of innocent civilians are still being pulled from the rubble in their hundreds. This is all stuff that has to be rectified and reconciled with before anybody can begin to think of a lasting peace.

Lawlesz · 14-10-2025 08:02AM

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100% correct.

The rest is politics podcast did a good analysis of it when it was first announced, basically saying it’s so vague you could drive a bus though it.

the GFA agreement in the north took years or tentative negotiations with all sides, to ensure the peace that came out of it would last. Then you look at this which seems to have been scrambled together in a matter of days, with a lot of grey areas.

I sincerely hope I am wrong but it just doesn’t feel like it was ever built to last, rather it was designed to add to Trumps amazing record of ending 5 (or was it 7, 11? ) wars, as the guy who renamed his department of defence to the department of war claims he’s the President of peace

RoyalCelt · 14-10-2025 08:12AM

Remember this guy? He's been killed by the Gazan Doghmush clan which propaganda is claiming is Israeli linked.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2025/10/12/palestinian-journalist-saleh-aljafarawi-shot-dead-in-gaza-city-clashes

wildgreen · 14-10-2025 08:20AM

More on possible collusion against Karim Khan

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/exclusive-icc-senior-officials-accused-prejudice-over-karim-khan-probe

Strazdas · 14-10-2025 08:42AM

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EBU are playing with fire trying to keep Israel in. Their presence is a toxic one and very divisive for the other 35 or so countres. There's no way things are going to 'settle down' in the next couple of years : they are a rogue state still being investigated for genocide and war crimes, very little has changed outside of the actual ceasefire and exchange of hostages.

Cordell · 14-10-2025 08:45AM

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Israel still has the West in a vice grip

Oh yeah the good old antisemitic trope, the jews who rule the world from the shadows.

Can it simply be that EBU just grown some spine and conscience and decided against an action that will serve no purpose other than further antagonizing Israel and giving a win to Hamas? Now it's time for peace and leave the war behind, if that doesn't happen the peace won't last.

A Dub in Glasgo · 14-10-2025 08:48AM

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Israeli backed militants is a more accurate description (or terrorists if you want to be consistent). It is text book colonalism

DayInTheBog · 14-10-2025 08:49AM

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So where did the money for the tunnels come from ? Mosque gate collections ?

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