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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,914 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    So no sanctions against Russia, no military resistance to them allowed either.

    Just ask nicely and hope they’ll go home?

    And when Putin responds with more drone strikes against civilians - just ask him even more sweetly to stop?


    There’s idiocy - and then there’s the absolutely naive idiocy that you are advocating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,470 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What newspaper is this quote from? And when did CC say it?

    “let’s get on with a united ireland”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,523 ✭✭✭creedp


    I wonder was it Michael D who pushed them down this path or as he is only the President did he have sfa to do with it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 781 ✭✭✭feelings


    I never mentioned HH? My reply was solely about your incorrect claim regarding CC’s position and views on a united Ireland.

    “As President, I would use the moral authority of the office to encourage dialogue, to bring people together, and to ensure that the voices of women, young people, unionists, and all citizens are heard in shaping the New Ireland.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    Windsor Park is a soccer stadium. It for a start is too small pitch wise to be a GAA pitch. Antrim GAA will never play at Windsor Park and I don't even know what your talking about when you even mentioned that

    If 75% voted for a UI in the 6 counties we would still have a small section causing trouble or attempting too. They would do what they will do if it passes by 1% or 40%

    HH is heavily linked to a sectarian organisation. She is most def not the closest choice for uniting people ffs



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 781 ✭✭✭feelings


    You’ve completely missed the point. Who said a united Ireland would be "a walk in the park"?? What CC has argued is that it has to be approached through genuine open dialogue and preparation, not slogans or wishful thinking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 781 ✭✭✭feelings


    That’s not what I’m saying at all, where did I say that? A diplomatic approach doesn’t mean appeasement, it means recognising that wars don’t end without negotiation. No matter how much force is used.

    Sanctions and resistance can continue alongside efforts to find a political solution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,581 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Shes also said the following which to me, is essentially saying, I want to push forward with a United Ireland - personally I think that’s insensitive to many people on this island right now and it alienates a considerable amount of people she wants to “unite”- it places her in a terrible position as president as she’ll be mistrusted by those who are not currently ready to go that route- you couldn’t be more undiplomatic if you tried with these words

    “In addition, Article 3 of the (Republic of Ireland's) constitution has set out that it's the firm will of the Irish people, with consent and with all diversity and all different communities that we would have a united Ireland.

    "I think we need to prepare for that, the government needs to prepare for that."

    She also said a cross-party committee had asked the Irish government for a green paper and to set out steps towards unity.

    "That hasn't happened, unfortunately," Connolly said.”

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3rvr5lp5ppo.amp



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,581 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    It’s the essence of what she said and the impact it’s had on me and others - this is a presidential election - words have impact -I’ve quoted above what she actually said - the INFERENCE - is that she wants to progress with a united ireland and get on with the voting and the preparation - which I believe is not the correct message to send to all peoples north and south, if you’re going for President


    - if you’re having the wrong impact on potential voters, then you’re doing it wrong - it’s simple as that - she’s doing it wrong



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 781 ✭✭✭feelings


    That’s a serious misreading of what she said. CC isn’t "pushing forward" with unification, she’s acknowledging that our own Constitution (Art. 3) already expresses the Irish people’s firm will for unity by consent and through respect for all communities.

    Her point is that the government should prepare responsibly for that possibility. Through open dialogue, planning, and inclusion. It’s about ensuring any future change happens peacefully, democratically, and with everyone’s voice heard.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    So you want the Irish Govt to prepare for a United Ireland, what it might look like etc but at the same time not annoying unionists about doing so?

    They are always going to be annoyed about it. Pandering to a minority in the 6 counties is not what should be done. It certainly wasn't done when nationalists were the minority



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    if you look at pretty much all Irish elections that what they go for rather than radical and untested - “they’re doing an ok job, let’s not rock the boat and keep stability”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,581 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    With all due respect, I don’t need to listen to yet another “translation” of what CC “means”- it’s obvious that she’s courting the SF vote so she’s going to use language and sound bytes that please this audience - however it certainly doesn’t please all audiences.
    There are alternative ways to bring all people on board - she’s chosen not to go this route - that tells me all I need to know about CC



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,470 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I’ve quoted above what she actually said -

    Where did she say it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,409 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    There's absolutely nothing "folksy" about her.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    CC is absolutely right to call on diplomatic means to end the conflict.

    Well gee whizz, I wonder why no one else ever thought of that.

    Russia has no interest in diplomatic negotiations. They make this plainly clear every single day. It is painfully obvious to anyone who pays even the slightest bit of attention to the invasion - something I strongly suspect CC does not do. She will continue on her tirade of moralising to the rest of Europe while believing in fairy tales and magic as a solution to the problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,655 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Nothing wrong in any of that imo.

    She states article 3 of the constitution including the requirements for consent, she suggests the need for the govt to prepare and she also references a cross party green paper on the subject.

    If that upsets the bonfire builders on the Shankill or the Orange Order so be it, nothing controversial at all in her comments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 781 ✭✭✭feelings


    I didn't translate anything, it's her own words.

    "There are alternative ways to bring all people on board - she’s chosen not to go this route - that tells me all I need to know about CC"

    Are you talking about her candidacy for President or about a United Ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,807 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Personally I prefer dull to outspoken in a President. A President of Ireland is supposed to be a figurehead. When HH said she would lead trade missions, that is good for jobs. What is not good for jobs is saying Ireland can't trust the our European partners and the US. While I don't trust Trump, I also know he is thin skinned and tends to punish those who oppose him. If CC can go to Syria, I don't see why the next President shouldnt meet Trump. A handful of US companies (about 5) pay 51% of Irish corporate tax revenues. Anti-Americanism just isn't an option for Irish foreign policy. And I think in general elections, anti Americanism on the Left does deter some employees of US multinationals from voting for the Left.

    I don't see condemning the war in Gaza as anti-American. I condemn it too. But if the Left are okay with meeting with the former Syrian regime, or Xi Jinping, who were committing genocide, then it does seem a double standard not to want to meet Trump. When did Michael D Higgins meet Trump since taking office? CC has admitted going to Syria when Assad was in power.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,470 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What ended the genocide in Gaza?


    The US exerting proper pressure on Israel because it suited them.
    Trump stated that he would impose 'tougher sanctions' on Russia, meaning full sanctions have not yet been applied.

    They are bullshitting the world. Apply the full sanctions - stop the war.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 781 ✭✭✭feelings


    Well gee whiz… Israel just levelled Gaza. Israel had no interest in diplomatic negotiations. They made it plainly clear every single day. 50-100k dead?

    But look what has just taken place in the last couple of days. Diplomacy prevailed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,594 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I think that is what we are as a nation, once people can live their lives without too much fuss. Not much happens.

    Ireland unlike other countries in Europe has no far right or far left that has taken hold.
    Here it is it generally “Ah sure it’s not great, but alright, it could be worse”

    Connolly might get elected as President but I think it is more to do with the quality she is up against, than Ireland going “left”.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,417 ✭✭✭corkie


    Paul Murphy maybe taking legal action?

    I wonder will HH put out a retraction to prevent the legal action?

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Ffs, yourself standing up for Catherine the great, sanctions in Syria were the wrong thing, now Russia and Israel, they're bullshitting the world, Apply full sanctions - stop the war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,470 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    SF don't even believe there should be a Border Poll without proper planning.

    Find that quote yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,581 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “Pandering to a minority in the 6 counties is not what should be done. It certainly wasn't done when nationalists were the minority”

    You’ve essentially illustrated my point on the difficulty I have with how she’s worded her position on a united Iceland and how it should progress now- this is the exact impact it will have on Unionists in NI and it will set back progress in this area for years to come - they will not engage with her and will see her as someone who wishes to railroad the process in the interests of expediency as opposed to consensus.
    HH has a much more diplomatic approach - she may wish ultimately for what CC wants ultimately, but her words on how she’ll go about it are far more inclusive and non threatening than CC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,470 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Sanctions that work.

    Trump still has tougher sanctions, deploy them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 781 ✭✭✭feelings


    You think simply acknowledging what’s already in our Constitution is a threat? Seems bizarre.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Not everything in the bloody world is somehow related to Gaza.

    A small nation surrounded by enemies and wholly reliant on support from a superpower can obviously be more easily pushed toward certain actions. Never mind that they achieved their stated goal of the hostage release. Russia announce every day their desire to subjugate Ukraine and turn it into a vassal state. They are not interested in diplomacy, even when Trump literally and figuratively rolls out the red carpet for them. Connolly never once even outlines a hint of a plan for how she would "use her voice for peace". It is naïve in the extreme to think her voice means a damn in such a conflict and moralising to people about how they shouldn't invest in defence when they can see their neighbour lit on fire every night is frankly disgusting.



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