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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,250 ✭✭✭corkie


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    https://www.whichcandidate.ie/events/47/constituencies/133 ~ 25 Questions! And I am still spoiling and not following the above.

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,698 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Is there another link available which shows further context etc to the quote that's referenced there?

    The quote, as presented there - brought to you by Fine Gael of course - does read it that she's arguing that we don't need an army. It reads like a pretty unambiguous statement: she literally is quoted as saying "We don't need an army"...

    Personally I'd lean towards voting CC over HH - without having any major gra for either of them - but I can completely understand why people are questioning what she meant exactly with those remarks... They seem a bit bizarre tbh.

    Which is why I'd love to see more context that doesn't come from FG's PR department.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,844 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Just did it there. I got 65% match with Humphreys, and 62% with Connolly. I expected higher compatibility with Connolly before answering. But there was a high proportion of Foreign Policy related rounds than i anticipated.

    Could be interesting to debate each question? There is a lot of back and forth arguments both for, and against each candidate. What about a discussion on these questions? It could lead to a more constructive conversation

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,817 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    From the Dáil debate:

    I will finish by making a few general points on what our Defence Forces are 100 years on. The clue is in the title.

    They are defence forces. I am very proud of them and we have a barracks in Galway. I am very proud, as is every Member of the Dáil, of our Defence Forces.

    We all stand fully behind their most basic demands in terms of money and conditions. What is happening under the Government's watch, and I do not wish to personalise this, is truly shocking.

    This is not an army. Ireland will never be able to have an army. We do not need an army. We are an independent, neutral, sovereign country.

    Our strength lies in our independent voice. Our strength lies in making the UN institutions function better. It is utterly misleading to say changes to the triple lock are necessary and we need to tinker with them. It is dangerous, disingenuous and unacceptable.

    The Minister of State's party will be in serious trouble if it persists in going down the road of changing the triple lock.

    We need transformative action. The one phrase the Tánaiste has used repeatedly is "transformative action". We also need transformative action to stop wars. We cannot be cheerleaders for wars.

    There is nothing to be gained by joining up with the military-industrial complex that Europe is in the middle of, with a European Defence Fund, a European Defence Agency and Partnership for Peace, which is a travesty of the English language because it is a partnership for war.

    Defence (Amendment) Bill 2024:...: 2 May 2024: Dáil debates (KildareStreet.com)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 428 ✭✭Greengrass53


    Did that there now. Was ambivalent but got 81% match with Connolly and 66% with Humphries.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭BQQ


    I think it would be interesting to hear what HH’s position is on this

    Does she advocate higher taxes to pay for increased investment in armaments and abandoning neutrality to send Irishmen and women to fight in wars?

    Can’t see that being a vote winner

    If on the other hand, she supports neutrality and the status quo, how is that any different to CC?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    I'm not sure I know of anyone in any party, or independent, who supports abandoning neutrality. Status quo is quite a different thing though. I would expect that HH would support whatever the government mandates with regards the military, whereas CC is more open to opposing certain policies, e.g. the triple-lock.

    Either way I wouldn't expect either of them to effect or affect any particular policy once in office. I imagine if the triple-lock did come up for CC to sign, we would be in for quite a showdown though. Also I would imagine she would be outspoken against spending money on armaments or military technology imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,970 ✭✭✭MFPM


    In a shock to no one Alan Kelly is supporting HH - in fairness he's voting for someone who reflects his political perspective far more accurately than Labour ever did!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,945 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “Does she advocate higher taxes to pay for increased investment in armaments and abandoning neutrality to send Irishmen and women to fight in wars?”

    Where has she advocated “sending Irishmen and women to fight in wars” ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,250 ✭✭✭corkie


    Question asked in 'which candidate'

    1. The ‘triple lock’, determining when the Defence Forces can serve as part of an international force, should be retained
    2. Ireland should cooperate more with European Union member states on defence
    3. European integration has gone too far
    4. Ireland needs to invest more heavily in defence and security
    5. Ireland should be willing to assist in the defence of any EU member state that is attacked
    6. NATO is partly to blame for the war in Ukraine
    7. Ireland should unilaterally cut economic ties with Israel
    8. Hamas cannot be allowed to form part of any future Palestinian government
    9. The president should refrain from publicly criticising government policy
    10. The president should keep their opinions on political issues to themselves
    11. The president has the power to refer a Bill to the Supreme Court to test its constitutionality. This power should be exercised very rarely.
    12. The president should be fluent in the Irish language
    13. The president should give back a portion of the €350,000 salary to the State
    14. A border poll on a united Ireland should take place within the next seven years
    15. Ireland should be willing to change its flag and national anthem as part of a process to bring about a united Ireland
    16. Ireland should be willing to rejoin the Commonwealth as part of a process to bring about a united Ireland
    17. Ireland should introduce strict quotas on the number of migrants coming into the country each year.
    18. Ireland should be willing to send failed asylum seekers to deportation hubs outside the EU’s borders.
    19. Minority groups need to be protected with new laws against hate speech
    20. Abortion should be allowed in a wider range of circumstances
    21. Ireland should celebrate its Christian heritage and seek to uphold Christian values
    22. All national schools should come under the patronage of the State, thereby ending religious patronage
    23. Gender identity and transgender issues should be taught in Irish schools
    24. There should be a right to housing in the Constitution
    25. Protecting the environment and tackling climate change is more important than economic growth

    Catherine Connolly Answers | Heather Humphreys Answers

    @liamtech and others choose a question and discus?

    I will pick 2 in my next reply.

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,792 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Would have been interesting to have seen a straight fight between Mairead McGuinness and Connolly. McGuiness was the initial warm favourite, but I have a feeling it would now be very close between the pair in the polls and betting. Wouldn't have been a huge surprise if CC had narrowly edged out McG in the vote, no more than Mairead winning it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,817 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    to opposing certain policies,

    She can't oppose them, she can criticise/evaluate and advise on other opinions and people's concerns.

    That's all.
    Humphreys claims she will speak up on peoples concerns too.

    Question is, which one do you believe actually will?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Did you see the massive increase in defence spending in the budget? Expect the same for the next few years, it is government policy now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,250 ✭✭✭corkie


    6. NATO is partly to blame for the war in Ukraine

    My thoughts: - I take it Russia is the aggressor here for invading Ukraine and taking territory belonging to it! And nearby countries need extra security by joining NATO. But a build up of NATO in the areas has also provoked the bear.

    • Comment: "Russia alone has brought war back to Europe by attacking and invading the sovereign and independent country of Ukraine. " ~ Heather Humphreys Strongly Disagrees.
    • Comment: "We live in a dangerous world of competing military blocs. NATO has engaged in decades of military expansion, a process that has undoubtedly led to increased risk of war. Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine and should end its invasion." ~ Catherine Connolly in the middle with answer.

    19. Minority groups need to be protected with new laws against hate speech

    My thoughts:- EU have already introduced enough laws through the DSA. See this thread.

    • Comment: "Freedoms of speech and expression are important rights. But they must be balanced with protections for any group of people vulnerable to attack. " ~ Heather Humphreys in the middle
    • Comment: "Free speech and freedom of expression are important and must be protected. However, immigrant, LGBTQ+ or other communities have the right to be protected, by the authorities and by the law, from those inciting violence through hate speech." ~ Catherine Connolly Agree

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,970 ✭✭✭MFPM


    I was 75% CC - 54% HH it was the latter that surprised me most, I've never put a tick beside a FG candidate in my life.

    These questionnaires are interesting for a bit of discussion but they're not really a great guide to political affiliation generally.

    Some of the questions are a bit wooly and are not easily answered with the options given, the Hamas question is nuanced and the Irish defence and security one too, the last one on the environment too, to highlight a few.

    On religious patronage and schools for example, I'd strongly agree on it but so would many in FG or the abortion question again I'd strongly agree but many in FG may too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,869 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    She worded that badly. It looks like she is calling him her former friend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,281 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Jayus discussing each one of those points could take a few Presidential terms.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I don't expect Connolly to speak up on peoples' concerns about the threat that Russia is posing to Europe, or on peoples' concerns that US FDI continues to support jobs and taxes here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,588 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Gavin's votes will be transferred after elimination if he comes last, as expected. But a 1 and no further preferences can never be transferred anyway, so that's irrelevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,698 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Thanks for the extra context.

    I still think her comments are a bit hard to interpret though. On one hand she praises the defence forces, but then on the other hand she says we shouldn't have an army. Is it that she disagrees with how we refer to the "military" in Ireland, objects to the terminology itself?

    To me it isn't clear what her position is in regard to our own military force. Some of those statements by CC seem contradictory.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Anyone who votes gavin now are clearly doing it in protest and are pretty much guaranteed to only vote no 1 apart from the few that don't know what is going on.

    So.gavin will likely get a reasonable vote with practically non transferring if he comes last.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,588 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Plus some "I could never vote for an FG candidate" FFers who will transfer, which they will decide isn't actually voting for, to HH.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Humanitarian aid is not going to stop Ruzzian missiles destroying apartment blocks and killing children. It is not going to stop Kadyrov's murderous thugs killing Ukrainian civilians. If you, or Connolly, have a way to stop these things without involving the horrible arms industry, you're welcome to enlighten us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    I think it will be a very small number of FF people giving any preference to HH given her sash wearing connections.

    Mod: warned for trolling

    Post edited by Seth Brundle on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭BQQ


    Ok, I’d like to hear from herself, but let’s assume she supports the government

    Per the ESRI the avg household disposable income has taken a 2% hit in this budget

    This is despite all the money we got from Apple.

    And you are suggesting we can expect more of the same to fund further increases in defence spending

    And HH supports this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    No, the increase in defence spending doesn't impact to any great extent on household incomes, they won't make that much of a difference.

    However, the increases in health spending, housing, education and infrastructure are of the scale that they will affect average incomes. If you want decent public services, you have to pay for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,817 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    We saw just in the last while that real pressure applied by those with the power to do it, stopped a genocide.

    Not a shot fired by those with the power either.

    Trump’s strong-arming of Netanyahu led to a deal. He must sustain that pressure | Mohamad Bazzi | The Guardian

    Trump cornered Netanyahu. But he also might have saved him | CNN

    Netanyahu faces far-right backlash as Trump presses to end Gaza war | Reuters

    Lots more opinion out there on that one.

    Trump also threatens 'more' sanctions on Putin if he doesn't stop. Perhaps if the 'full' range of sanctions and pressure were properly applied from the first foreign boots on sovereign soil we wouldn't be where we are?

    Apply ALL sanctions first, then see if military build ups need to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,945 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I’d actually respect Connolly if she came out and said her wording was clumsy- but I suspect she was playing to a few different crowds with that speech and given her stance and evasiveness around Irelands “defence”- I suspect rather than being clumsy, she was deliberately vague - as she has been on many topics



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    So unilateral power used by the US is a good thing?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,945 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I dunno - I kindof fancy voting 1,2 3- Jim, Heather, Catherine - use up all the boxes 😀



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