Israel/Palestine Thread

I think you misinterpreted their argument. They are wondering why posters are more annoyed by chants in protest marches than daily attacks on innocent kids- they didnt mention genocide. I guess they got your answer though in "children die every day". Though perhaps you should have used the term "children are killed every day".

https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2025/1013/1538217-israel-hostages/

All 20 remaining hostages were men. Is there a breakdown in sex for the remaining dead hostages? I assume they prioritised female releases first?

Aren't the Ukraine, Iranians etc doing the same?

what country that was subjected to genocide not go after people who where working with those committing the genocide?

Did the IRA not do the same. Jean McConvile to name but 1.

I was thinking about that. Good decision on both sides in relation to that.

Guess your guys better restart bombing innocent kids so…

It's a bit crazy - but what that poster said about no genocides during World War II is legally speaking, a fact. The genocide convention was not retroactive before 1949.

The Nuremberg trials were tried under humanitarian principles that predate the convention - "crimes against humanity" as an existing example at the time.

Now morally speaking, it's unquestionable imo what the holocaust was, and of course the genocide convention can influence how we perceive past atrocities like the famine as he/she referred to - but as they legally can't be declared, how can they be used as a metric to legally deny what is happening now?

You have to look at what Israel are doing now vs the definitions of genocide in international law and argue it that way.

I don't see many, if anybody, in here arguing against this doing that for some reason.

How can Israel ban that?

More than likely the objective was to show the world what Israel is really about with regards to Palestine, and in that respect they achieved their result. A lot of people around the world have woken up to what that nation represents and what its long terms plans are in the region.

It came at a hell of a price.

One of the lesser-mentioned horrific legacies of the Holocaust is that it set the bar of horror so high, in terms of the sheer numbers and the cold mechanical nature of it, that other acts of genocide are dwarfed under its shadow. In other words, when the Holocaust is used as a yardstick almost anything seems less horrific by comparison and, consequently, one can be drawn towards a thought process whereby identifying genocide is a function of comparison and not a case-by-case examination versus the written definition of the term.

In that context, claimed genocides must be measured against the most explicit major examples like the Holocaust or Rwanda — in ignorance of the fact that genocides can vary in their duration, intent and method. More gradual, careful, impersonal acts of genocide can be carried out today using modern warfare techniques and propaganda. One need only consider that recurring line we keep hearing from pro-Israeli commentators — "If Israel really wanted to wipe the Palestinians out they could do it immediately, so clearly they don't want to" — to understand how perfectly conceivable it is that the perception of what is severe and transparent enough to be genocide can be used as a mask for a more carefully-managed genocide.

Of course though, part of the enduring collective consciousness of the horror of the Holocaust is found in the fact that witnesses to it and survivors of it have been listened to and their stories given respect. It is made personal — and indeed it was personal, involving face-to-face interaction between Holocaust victims and those who detained, corralled, imprisoned and eventually murdered them. Gazan Palestinians have on the other hand been attacked, killed, maimed and their homes destroyed entirely impersonally. Murder by missile just doesn't resonate in the same way as murder by machete or murder by gas chamber — it's remote, impersonal and comes with a seemingly-supposed lesser level of intent and evil than face-to-face murder. The Gazans often only have themselves as witnesses, and their testimony is not given respect while those non-Palestinians who do witness the horror are derided as being puppeteered by Hamas.

Hamas is definitely a big loser. They've lost a lot of support from the Palestinian people I'm sure and their leadership is either dead or hiding underground in foreign countries.

Israel is also a loser in this conflict. Its international standing has been irreparably damaged but you get the feeling it cares less about that than it does about sending a message to Iran (and its terror proxies) about the lengths it will go to to seek revenge and safety in the region.