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Presidential Election.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,282 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    You got caught in a lie and that is your response?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    The opposite. The German Govt supports Israel and have done more for them than most countries over last few years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭almostover


    Yes as poor and all as the 2 candidates are that we have to choose from, the so called 'blocked' candidates were atrocious altogether.

    A religious fundamentalist with a penchant for designer handbags, an entrepreneur who's on the wrong side of the FDA and whose business appears to be akin to snake-oil selling, a cage fighter implicated in a rape case for which he had to pay damages and an Irish dnacer who lives in a stately home and has an American accent. Why people wanted this caliber of candidate involved is beyond me.

    The 2 we have are bad enough as it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,282 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    As a campaigner for both Repeal of the 8th and marriage equality, Catherine Connolly makes me want to vomit. You have no right to assume a political view of a large swathe of people

    Stupid post. She's opposed to military aid for Ukraine whether free or paid for.

    That is a pro-Russian position.

    What chance does a democratic Ukraine have with Connolly's policies? No chance - and you know it.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭almostover


    Despite me not being happy about the possibility of CC being elected those figures do show that it's hers to lose.

    There's 20% undecided, of which 14% would have to go HH's way to leave the polls as a tie. That's 70% of the undecided vote which seems unrealistic to get that high of a proportion of.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    No matter what any Irish TD or President says/does, wants to do is going to have absolute zero effect in what happens in Ukraine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,706 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    I wasn't going to vote in this election, but jesus, humphreys is typical ffg, absolutely insufferable... I couldn't care less what those gangster's accuse connelly of, they are ruining lives now and an obscene shower of wasters... their tactics are so transparent and pathetic, it does nothing but drive votes against the establishment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,282 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Probably, but I don't want a President who spouts Kremlin talking points all the same.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    I meant she is making those things her top priority, that's her shtick. I know she is, because she indicated as much in the debate.

    Since when is 'social justice' the top priority of the nation, and says who? Is she going to make the comfort of refuges say her top priority? People who are not Irish and she is not their president?

    In relation to a particularly social issue she very much leaned in favor of a 'tiny tiny tiny' minority. What about the majority?

    You get my point perfectly well. I never said she should be against anything, I merely pointed out her angle on things, which is her selling point to be president.

    Humphreys made a valid point I though when she pointed out Connolly's political position on foreign wars, again her selling point, insulting our European and US allies. I can totally see Connolly going beyond her remit even more so than Higgins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,121 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Maybe times have changed but most young college students I'd know would be thinking.

    It's a Bank Holiday weekend. Friday 24th might be off a half day or off due to graduations.

    They'll be going out on the Thursday night.

    Apart from a few die hard CC supporters in the societies. Most aren't bothered about these two.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,854 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    I don't know if you've noticed but two points.

    1. That is not her position.

    2. Even if it were, the president has zero power in these matters.....

    Post edited by kippy on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    She has already said that's not something she will be doing if elected president as she knows what the role entails



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,705 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I am sure she (Connolly) is in step with the electorate on NATO membership.

    I never mentioned NATO or Irish membership of it at all. I was responding to a post about comments on Germany and German rearmament (and rearmament of other EU member states).

    I don't know if she is out of step with Irish voters with those sort of comments - I expect she is (but I may be wrong!). She'd be far out of step with the government (or any government we are likely to have any day soon outside some political earthquake).

    However, I believe most of our electorate don't usually think much about foreign policy (apart maybe from Israel and Gaza currently?) and don't typically consider it when voting.

    I suppose it shows how the world around us is changing (not for the better) that it is coming up as a live issue in the election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Thats what the FFG and HH supporters are hoping.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Slip of the tongue. I think she meant Clare Daly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    But SFs history of excusing Russia's invasion and saying NATO was to blame for it - even though NATO members all joined by choice - I think did hurt them in the election. Neutrality should not mean moral-neutrality

    Also I think American donors to SF should pay more attention to what they have and are saying on the war. Then maybe they wouldn't donate as much. The lavish billionaire dinners, and routing the money through NI, is a cry from their supposed working class sympathies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    I know she meant Clare Daly and a slip of the tongue like this shows the pressure she is under.

    Post edited by skimpydoo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,282 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    From your other posts I wouldn't think that you'd favour a communist President? so you should vote Humphreys to keep her out.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,282 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Which calls into question why Connolly continually spouts Kremlin talking points.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,110 ✭✭✭MFPM


    'Communist' - Catherine Connolly - FFS, You've been diving into the Ivan Yates pool of nonsense here. I'd consider myself to the left of CC, she's a left wing social democrat, nothing more.



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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,928 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    We've had a socialist president for the last 14 years and by all accounts he's been very good.

    No reason to drift from that course now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,708 ✭✭✭yagan


    Since Trump's first term a lot of NATO members have openly stated that a new defense pact may need to emerge. Russians invasion and then Trump's untrustworthiness has really emphasised that European defense needs to hinge on Europeans and not swing voters in a few US states.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,854 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    It will be interesting to see what happens after Connolly wins this.

    While she didn't have the support of SF and some of the other parties while initially declaring, she is now essentially representative of the left leaning parties and has perhaps shown that if they get their sh1t together, potentially start to work a bit better together as parties, the FF/FG governments we have been accustomed to may be under more pressure in upcoming elections.

    It will be hard to tell and may not happen but there could be a major shift in how these parties operate in electioneering going forward. Surely they have learned from this and previous elections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭sdiff


    She'll very likely win IMO but that doesn't have much read through to future general elections.

    The left have plateaud in the 30s in first preference vote share and are actually starting to decline. There's no sign of that changing. Taxes are already very high. People don't want a shift to the left. Secular trends favour the right. The main theme of the upcoming years will be the right siphoning votes from the centre and the left.

    CC winning will be mostly because her opposition is incredibly weak. HH is a relatively weak candidate from an unpopular party. Outside of the core FG vote, nobody is going to be excited to vote for her. Those on the right aren't going to vote for her, they'll just stay home. OTOH, most on the left will be happy to vote for CC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,854 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Perhaps my left/right terminology is not best placed here.

    Maybe if we look at it as FF/FG Versus Anyone Else. The last few elections have shown that the "anyone else" grouping cant form a government for one reason or another. The the point where the absolute unthinkable a few decades ago (FF/FG governing together) is now the norm with neither party likely to get enough votes to govern themselves over the short to medium term.

    If they can overcome not being able to form a government for "one reason or another" then FF/FG are in bother - particularily when our housing normality is a mess and our healthcare normality isn't far behind it to name but two things that are a scourge on this country and how we operate.

    I would wonder whether some of the "learnings" from this election might light a fire under a few of these parties to be a bit more co-ordinated and organised going into the next GE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭corkie


    In two minds, to share this indo opinion piece published today? Was it in print?

    Note: I am not a 'Ave' Maria supporter and would have not voted for her, if on ballot.

    https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/maria-steen-significant-spoilt-vote-in-presidential-election-would-embarrass-the-government/a834521970.html

    ~ Archive.ph{whitelist}

    Is this opinion article based in fact and correct laws? ~ perplexity.ai

    Conclusion:
    The article accurately presents the basic legal facts about Irish presidential election law and the current situation with Jim Gavin's withdrawal. However, Steen's core legal argument - that there is an implicit constitutional power to restart the election - appears to be her personal legal interpretation rather than established law. Legal experts suggest the existing legislation already addresses this unprecedented situation.​

    The article is primarily an opinion piece advocating for a political solution (restarting the election) based on democratic legitimacy concerns, rather than a purely factual legal analysis. While her factual statements about the relevant laws are generally accurate, her legal conclusions are debatable and not universally accepted by legal experts.

    Given the above, why did the indo editor agree to publish it at all. Why are they giving her voice coverage still?

    That is why I doubts sharing it? Don't shoot the messenger please?

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,657 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,837 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I don't know what you're worried about; people link to mad stuff they totally disagree with all the time on here….



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