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Presidential Election.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,042 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Assuming Gavins transfers will go to Humphries that's 37% for Humphries

    Game on!



  • Site Banned Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,708 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    No guarantee that's going to happen. There's lads out there voting for Gavin for 'de craic'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,052 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    Its very hard to get excited about any of the candidates.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,530 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    The Gavin mess is all FF's doing as a result of their 'due diligence', nothing to do with the overall nomination process.

    The presidential election comes along every seven years. That's plenty of time for anyone who is genuinely interested to run a campaign and build support.

    People who are genuinely upset about the nomination process should put pressure on their councillors the next time local elections come around or on prospective TDs running in the next GE. Engagement with the entire political process is essential if people actually want change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,354 ✭✭✭El Horseboxo


    I think a large portion of the don't know won't vote. They're not saying don't know because they are still trying to figure out how to vote for and still need to listen to their campaigns. It's because neither genuinely appeal to them and as it's the president, with limited influence, they will leave it to others to decide.

    I'm only a small sample size, but doubt I'm unique. Most of my family and friends won't end up voting at all. Won't vote for Government candidate and no interest in voting for Connolly. So will just stay away. I was part of the previous poll and one of the don't knows. I'm 99% sure I won't be voting.

    And I reckon any one still voting for Gavin is only putting a single vote on the ballot. Don't think transfers will be a thing. And probably lots of Gavin voters who just won't bother voting at all either. The number that will row in behind HH won't be enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭BestWestern


    One concern that the Connolly camp will have is that their vote is younger. Young people vote less.

    Those that vote Gavin will break towards Heather in a larger proportion than to Connolly.

    This is tighter than we think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,008 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    The next President will be a woman, and she will represent us on the world stage, that we can all agree on. With Catherine Connolly being the current Fave, do her personal opinions and biases matter?

    Every opinion will be scrutinised, every utterance picked up on. She will be under the spotlight at home and abroad. Question is, can she park her personal bias for seven years? Gaza and genocide are words that come to mind when thinking of Catherine Connolly, plus her condemnation of Germany rearming in the face of Russian aggression. She also has a confused stance on the whole gender ideology debate, as highlighted on the Tipp FM clip (post #5259). But then again does it matter what she thinks or says re these issues? Does it matter what's picked up on when she speaks as President?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,657 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'd suspect by confused, you just mean she's not sympathetic towards your views. I don't view it as having much to do with the presidency either tbh.

    Her views on Gaza are pretty much the same as both the Irish State and current president. I don't agree with either her or Michael D's wife's position on Ukraine or Russia but overall, he's largely been a superb president.

    This topic also came up on the rte evening radio debate and she made it clear that what she says as a politician atm is different to how she'd conduct herself as president, basically she said she'd be more restrained. I expect her presidency would be pretty similar to that of Michael D so overall I think most would be happy with it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,829 ✭✭✭plodder


    Only listened to some of it, but the interviewer pressing that question "How many genders are there?" is pointless soundbite stuff. Same as "what is a woman?". CC batted all that off with "there are only tiny numbers of people involved". Not that that answers the question, but they aren't serious questions, so aren't going to get a serious answer.

    The interviewer did better when pushing on specifics like males in women's prisons and sport which CC sounded very uncomfortable with and didn't have any answers other than - 'we need to look into it'. She praised the gender recognition act, but that law has directly created these situations. They aren't some unexpected, unintended consequence that nobody could have anticipated.

    No doubt, the soft Galway accent is eas(ier) on the ear than HH's, and all the talk of kindness and compassion has wide appeal, but she's definitely vulnerable when pinned down on specifics. Don't know what Ivan Yates was thinking with his smear campaign talk. CC was clever enough to link it directly to FG though Yates certainly doesn't speak for them at all.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,397 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    People who are genuinely upset about the nomination process should put pressure on their councillors the next time local elections come around or on prospective TDs running in the next GE. Engagement with the entire political process is essential if people actually want change.

    These turkey's control the nominations process, they won't be voting for Christmas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,836 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    the ‘process’ can only be changed by constitutional referendum afaik. If you want a candidate of a particular ideological stripe you want to be electing tds. Senators, and Councillors of the same stripe who would spontaneously want to nominate your sort of candidate rather than have to be lobbied to do it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,397 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Of course.

    As this election has shown, we had three blocks who could nominate a candidate. FF were one, FG were another, and the left united to form a third. It made perfect sense for these blocks to oppose all other nominations once they had their candidate secured.

    If people want a fourth alternative, then it's going to involve actively voting against all other three blocks in the next council/general elections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭Enter Username Here


    While it was a better debate than the last, Humphreys came across to me like she knows little. She is definitely following a script regurgitating the stuff that has been posted here all week. I think if somebody was to throw in a question from left field to her, she wouldn't have a clue how to answer. CC doesn't seem to need to rehearse anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,708 ✭✭✭yagan


    Heard a bit of HH on the radio debate earlier, very bitter sounding. I had thought better of her.

    She's really going to have to sell a positive personal version of herself because she's coming across as bereft of vision.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The same youth that came out for the Repeal and Equal Marriage referendums will be out for Connolly. Not in anywhere near the same numbers but enough to get her elected. Her campaigns in the Universities and on socials media are way ahead of the others and they've gotten 60,000 extra on the roll plus 30,000 changing their address to reflect their changed university address.

    They'll be voting, and possibly in greater numbers than the polls reflect (youth regularly underestimated in such) so there could be even bigger support for CC than forecast. All speculation of course but it'd not surprise me greatly to see her over 50% after the first count. This is an election where the youth vote will be more significant than the pensioner one. Many of the latter will be sitting it out.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    CC had the nominations before SF, Greens and some other support were added. Thus no left-wing bloc. Nor did they seek to prevent others from running.

    Anyone not getting on the slate simply wasn't prepared enough or good enough - Sheridan, McGregor, Steen, Flatley, etc. A prize collection……………



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,042 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    From that article

    The survey puts Ms Connolly's support at 36%.

    Fine Gael candidate Heather Humphreys is at 25% support.

    Jim Gavin...is at 12%



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭corkie


    Your forgetting the adjustments made on the figures, that explains the difference in percentages!

    #Aras25 poll: Business Post/Red C
    (October 1-7, MoE 3%)

    ℹ️ Sampling began before Gavin’s withdrawal

    Connolly 36
    Humphreys 25
    Gavin 12
    undecided 27

    After Gavin eliminated:
    Connolly 39
    Humphreys 31

    W/o undecideds:
    Connolly 56
    Humphreys 44

    Source Gavan Reilly from the article!

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The undecideds can make the difference.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You suggested that Gavin's transfers would all go to CC. That article countered that and had you deigned to read on………

    'When Mr Gavin's first preferences are redistributed based on second preference patterns, Connolly’s support rises to 39%, while Humphreys' increases to 31%."



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They can but they won't. As many have stated here there will be a significant number of them not voting.

    CC will get her vote out soo it's got to be matched. The enthusiasm for a candidate as poor as HH ain't there. It really is CC's to lose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Yes but the poll was mostly taken before JG withdrew so we need to see one taken entirely afterwards.

    Also I think FF and FG voters need to end the phoney war. They are both , Centrist, pro business, pro Big Farmer parties, and theres no reason they shouldn't merge. FFs decision to run a separate candidate helped Connolly by splitting the vote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,708 ✭✭✭yagan


    The repercussions within FF must be enormous when it's considered that so many who went to the doorstep in the years after the crash were snubbed and completely bypassed for a party outsider that in the end brought back all the grubby Bertie era landlordism.

    My initial feeling is they'll coast on for the rest of the term but some may well jump ship to the likes of II, or the rural technical group, or as you highlight just join FG.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,234 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Independent Ireland also takes disgruntled FF folks.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    From the TV debate it's clear to me that Connolly want's the presidency to continue on with with her usual politics. If she said she want's to be a president for everyone I missed it, rather she talks like as though her personal politics is a direct match to what 'the majority of Irish people' also believe in, suggesting she's not much interested in opinions she doesn't agree with.

    She's just going to being another typical left wing president who's priorities are 'social justice' and getting invoked in taking sides in foreign wars. Hardly a president for your average Joe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,282 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Just in the last couple of weeks she's groundlessly insulted both France and Germany. The signs are not good.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,854 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    It's really not.

    Connolly was in the lead since day 1. Two government sponsored candidates were up against it in the first instance, throw in the recent budget and it was a tougher ask, Gavin dropping out has just strengthened CC's chances.

    I don't know why more people can't see this.....whether you are a CC supporter or not the writing has been on the wall with a while.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,282 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    She also says that NATO provoked it, which is nonsense on a stick - and one of the main Kremlin talking points.

    There is a very good reason every country bordering Russia - except its vassal state and fellow dictatorship Belarus - has either joined NATO or wants to.

    It would be a good question to put to CC - should Finland have been allowed to join NATO? and if not why not?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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