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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,285 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Connolly is very good at that in fairness playing the passive aggressive role. Even if her comments make no sense logically at times. Re her stance on her various controversies.


    She likes preface her sentences with “As a mother”. I noticed Connolly has even written “As a mother” on her campaign leaflet. Clever strategy.

    But at same time, the colouring and style of her leaflet has echoes of Irish Republicanism 1916. The colouring and lettering etc.

    On the Humphreys side of things it is notable she doesn’t use her surname in her leaflet. As it is not very “Republican”. “Heather” is also an attempt to make her sound personable. A smart strategy.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭pah


    CC would be fine with losing while maintaining her integrity.

    She can have my vote for that alone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmcc


    It is what makes Humphreys the wrong candidate for FG. Humphreys is approaching these debates like Connolly is the FF candidate. That kind of back and forth might happen with an FF candidate (a real FF candidate). Connolly is too smart to engage. As a result, Humphreys is just left attempting to smear Connolly while Connolly and the moderators look on.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,850 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,844 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Doesn't really change anything. That is far from the definition of the crime he was acquitted of and is a pretty reasonable phrasing of what actually happened. It is not defamation.

    Whether it is good politics I have no idea. But there is little enough you can say about CC and her associates without being accused of a smear campaign anyway.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,099 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Completely agree. Even if she loses her standing and profile as a TD will only increase.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,844 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Id go as far as to call this an obvious tactic. The media were destined to go after Humphreys background, in government, and as a minister. By avoiding it herself, Connolly takes a higher road, while knowing full well that it will be brought up regardless of her input. We have seen this in each of the debates thus far. Humphreys has been questioned RE housing, austerity, cuts on spending et al, and she is placed in the possition of having to defend FG in government. CC would have been aware too, that the budget was perfectly timed to damage Humphreys Campaign. By the way, just to be clear, I think this is all fair game and to be expected.

    In contrast Humphreys is left with little choice but to attack Connolly's positions over the years, and in particular on foreign policy. Thus far, despite certain unforced errors on the part of CC, it seemingly hasnt worked. I think Humphreys has this week alone, to make a serious impact on the outcome of the election. I doubt she has it in her to do so, and you can really tell why McGuinness was the first choice for nomination.

    I think unless Connolly stumbles into an 'October Surprise' type situation, between now and polling day, then she will win comfortably. Now i wouldnt put it passed her to do this, and i have previously pointed to the unforced errors of the Connolly campaign. But i think it would require something disastrous now, and well out of left field (no pun intended). This remote possibility is the only way i see HH winning. Its almost out of Humphreys hands at this stage.

    Unless a Poll conducted after Gavins exit, shows a shortening of the gap, its all but over. Im half annoyed that the latest poll was conducted, and overlapped with JG suspending his campaign. Had it began on Monday 6th, we would have a more accurate indication of where CC and HH stand relative to one another. In the next poll if the gap is more than 10 odd percentage points, then its over. That is my honest view.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,099 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I think the budget could also have an impact on the future polls. People are starting to figure out that the budget made them poorer and rewarded large fast food chains.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,285 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    My new mate “Heather” 🙄, she could easily claim that she was speaking metaphorically and not in a legal sense. As Burton was not “totally restrained” as per the judge’s direction in the Murphy case. But still felt “locked in” given the context.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,883 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Well we all remember the video of what happened. Whatever you want to call it, it was unpleasant.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,285 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Exactly and those are the images Humphreys wanted to conjure up by bringing it up.
    Smart move in my view.
    Clearly rattled the Connolly core vote who are claiming defamation (as shown on this thread), hoping Murphy would sue HH. But the middle ground who are unsure could think - aggressive protest radical lefties.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,850 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Not the point.

    The show was ended by McCullagh trying to save RTE being implicated and correcting an attempted smear, thus reinforcing the view that this is FG's strategy.

    Murphy will no doubt now make Humphreys squirm a little and he has grounds to do it. No point fighting a legal case here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,844 ✭✭✭liamtech


    No question, its deeply damaging. I saw it mentioned that sheep welfare was brought up in the budget more times than homelessness. Ludicrous in this day and age, and i hope FFG take a pasting in the polls. It goes toward indicating that, as far as the presidential election is concerned, FFG have all but thrown in the towel. Nothing about the budget would indicate a second thought for the plight of Humphreys (or Gavin previously) in an ongoing election cycle.

    Despite the misgivings I have for Connolly, I remain convinced she will win at present, barring a total disaster between now and the 24th. If i were advising CC's campaign, I would be cautious, and probably advise her not to stray toward contentious issues. Not that it would have an impact in fairness, she remains as she always has done on policy points.

    Im not going to condone or defend Ivan Yates comments RE smearing. It was sloppy and stupid, and if anything, it hurt Humphreys. If i give him the benefit of the doubt for a brief moment, I think he was highligting a 'nothing to lose' situation for Humphreys. Its 85 mins on the clock, and FFG are losing, having conceded multiple goals. And metaphorically, having had a man sent off/retired. In that situation there really is nothing to lose, you do what ever you can to try and make an impact. It will be interesting to see what Humphreys and her staff come up with this week. But it may be too late, and out of her hands so.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,285 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    J thought it was a smart move by HH. Even hearing the comments secondhand on here. Adding a bit of spice to the election. My mother and father’s generation 80ish (centrist voters) would have those images of a petrified Joan Burton in her car surrounded by a baying crowd flooding back to them.

    It is a very incongruent image when placed beside a woman who represents that cohort of the protest left anti establishment. Yet styles herself as a “pacifist”.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,828 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    Or the middle ground will think it's more dismissive arrogance from FG who thought they could silence ordinary decent people by smearing them all with this unsavoury incident at the time. It's a well worn FG (and Lab) tactic- they also used Éirigi involvement in any protest at the time to make decent people afraid to march - see water charges, student fees protests. It's a mistake for FG to remind undecided floating voters of these times I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,873 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    The colouring is just the irish flag. When she runs in the Galway elections it is galway colours maroon&white

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,285 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I don’t think so. In my view all those water protests succeeded in doing was painting Burton and the centre left Labour as “establishment”. Even though Burton was working class. Fragmenting the left vote allowing SF to fill the vacuum. Tightening the bond on the centre right.

    But ultimately PBP are not really a party which could form a government. President might be the height of it for this “left alliance”.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,883 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Some voters seem to treat local, European and Presidential elections like Americans treat the midterms. It doesn't necessarily feed into GE votes, as 2016 shows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,285 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Different font on the Connolly for President though.

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    Has echoes of this for me -

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    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Notice that the early coverage of the debate is steering well clear on Humphreys' guilt by association smear of Paul Murphy.

    Regards…jmcc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,828 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    Well I'm from a working class, Dublin council estate and from a traditionally FF family. I never voted FF and I never marched in water protests or student fee protests. But all the ex-FF around me did, my parents now 80s did, and all my neighbours did. None of my family are or were PBP voters, maybe a few of the neighbours. A lot actually transferred to SF and a lot are still lost, often looking for a good independent candidate, hoping FF will stop fawning over FG. This is who I feel are much of the undecided middle ground. They're not Connolly supporters at all and disagree with her on Syria, Ukraine. They're not looking for a PBP or left alliance government or president. They'd probably have welcomed FF choosing Billy Kelleher or someone like that and got behind that. But Humphreys is doing herself no favours bringing up that era, believe me. If anything could make disgruntled FF voters vote radical left it's a reminder of FG arrogance of that time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,770 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Note the difference in how SBP treats the two candidates ; Heather vs Connolly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Connolly should have admitted she worked on repossessions the first time she was asked. It looks now like she did and there’s nothing wrong with it. Failing to be forthright about this matter reflects badly on her but it’s in tune with her make believe politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmcc


    She handled it well and the Bar association backed her up on having to accept cases and clients. FG's attempts at smearing Connolly have increasingly left FG covered in crap.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,099 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I took part in the Irish Water superquango protests and I voted FG for 20 years. You are right in what you are saying.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Is there any reason why we have 2 identical threads running for weeks now?? Surely the two can be merged into one presidential threads..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,139 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    We aren't.

    Ivan Yates hasn't been a FG member for 25 years, let alone a strategist or campaigner.

    In fact, what he says is very unhelpful for us, his old comrades.

    However, it is also a bit naive of him. Presidentials are smear campaigns above all, anyway, in every direction. He knows this.

    You just don't say the quiet bit out loud.

    At the same time, smears can't be baseless or they become slander. So, rather than a smear campaign, think of it just as a campaign of inconvenient truths.

    If you want to vote for Connolly after you hear them, well thats up to you...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Did you watch or listen to the debate? Specifically, did you hear David McCullagh, at the end of it, explain that Paul Murphy did not lock Joan Burton in her car? This was done to protect RTE from a defamation action by Paul Murphy.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,980 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Which begs the question- with such a controversial candidate, why isn’t it a walk over to beat her?
    Ans: her opponent is completely lacking any clear focus for the presidency and can instead only fling mud at Connolly - some of it is certainly sticking and rightfully so- but it’s not a good look continually doing it and it only shows up Heather as equally lacking any credible claim to the position



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    She could have promptly admitted that she did it as part of a barrister’s normal work.



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