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Northern Ireland 2125?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    So this post at 3:54 was only an opinion.

    You have clearly stated something as a FACT, but you have nothing to back it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,677 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    A newspaper alleges "uvf source" says something, so it must be true? Did you ever hear the saying, paper does not refuse ink?

    I think you said  "The PSNI are treating the threats as coming from the UDA and UVF, STILL active paramilitary groups"

    Have you a credible sourse for that, if not a link?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,159 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I was referencing the article. I didn't claim anything about a 'statement'.

    Look if you think it hasn't happened, work away.

    I'll continue to listen to all media sources and read all media outlets talking about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    If you had said that "It has been reported that the PSNI….", that would have been accurate. You didn't, you made a bald statement that you claimed as FACT that you haven't been able to stand over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    Jesus Christ lads.....now we're on to pretending the UVF don't exist because there isn't a direct statement from the PNSI saying so from the latest incident? That they're just a few lads having a laugh and they're not really the UVF?

    Then we're onto suggesting there is some sort of equivalence between Leo Varadkar pointing out the risk of violence to EU stakeholders during Brexit negotiations to Loyalist Paramilitaries making implicit threats that THEY will commit violent acts?!

    I expect this level of nonsense from Francis, I doubt he's ever set foot in East Belfast but this is beneath you @blanch152

    Will you just argue against absolutely anything Francie says? Christ, if he said it was raining in Monaghan this morning, you'd be half a step from insisting it never rains in Monaghan unless there is a statement from Alan McGovern.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    YOU said there would be damage from loyalists if there is dual language signs. And then said just because YOU warn of a real threat of violence does not mean you condone it or are exciting violance.

    Is that your position? Just because people warn of a threat of violence doesn't mean they condone it or exciting it? or does that just apply to you and not others, ie. Makes you a hypocrite?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,159 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I heard this interview with Nolan. His shock at the facts was palpable. Nobody is saying the health service here is anywhere near perfect but the direction of travel and the shift in yet another sector is interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,677 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    What total propaganda by a northern nationalist politician writer for sluggerotoole. I thought anphoblocht was pathetic but slugger is even more so.

    It is news to me (but in sluggerotoole so must be true) that here in the Republic "free GP care being expanded to all citizens by 2026" and that "in the Republic, patient charges are being abolished, GP care is being made universal, and investment is shifting toward community-based, accessible public care."

    I had to pay a hefty charge to visit a doctor for a 5 minute consultation recently, and a relative paid €100 to visit a+e over something relatively minor, waited 14 hours there too to be seen. Other people got up and walked out, fed up waiting. All this despite paying a good few thousand a year vhi.(private health insurance), in addition to paying high taxes like higher vat, higher vrt, higher excise duty etc compared to UK.

    2026 is nearly here and no free healthcare slugger?

    As someone else said:

    If you moved south of the border right now, you would either need to get a medical card (one third of the population)- if entitled - or you would need to get a private health insurance policy (over half of the population). That’s what almost everyone who lives there does, because nobody believes the “public system” is adequate for anything other than an emergency.

    “But it will all be sorted by Slaintecare”, they say. Slaintecare has been an ongoing thing for as long as I can remember. I can find very little information about its progress or when its implementation is set to be completed. The Labour government of 1945 rolled out a public healthcare system in less than five years. Slaintecare has been a topic of conversation for almost 20 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,159 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Did you miss the start to the paragraph?

    The truth is that the Republic has been steadily moving towards universal healthcare through the Sláintecare

     reform programme – a ten-year plan to create a single-tier health service where access is based on need, not income

    He is talking about the direction of travel, one system going one way and the other going in a different direction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,422 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    There are no hospital charges now.

    Yes, you may have to pay a GP, but how many times do you visit the GP in a year? Say you spend €300, that is less than the extra payroll deductions that you would face in NI.

    A&E is a disgrace in some cases in both jurisdictions, but likewise hospitals like Waterford or Kilkenny run their services without these people on trollies, it is not a function of the management of the hospital more than the jurisdiction.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,677 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Yes there are hospital charges in a+e. You are charged a statutory fee of €100 for attending a public hospital's Emergency Department (ED or A&E) without a GP referral letter. This fee is waived if you have a medical card. Medical cards are means tested : most working people do not have them.

    And yes, you do have to pay a GP. It is not very unusual for a family to have to pay €1000 or more per year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,677 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Change of direction? I am paying more for GP visits now than at any other time in my life. As someone else said:

    But it will all be sorted by Slaintecare”, they say. Slaintecare has been an ongoing thing for as long as I can remember. I can find very little information about its progress or when its implementation is set to be completed. The Labour government of 1945 rolled out a public healthcare system in less than five years. Slaintecare has been a topic of conversation for almost 20 years.

    I will agree with you though that the NHS is not as good in N.I. since SF came to power. It used to be better. Maybe coincidence, maybe not. But it is still free up there, people do not need to have private health insurance as much as here, and taxes to pay for the service up north are not as high ( vat, excise, vrt etc).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,159 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    SF are not 'in power' in NI. SF are in a mandatory coalition in a devolved executive which has limited powers.

    Health Minister have been

    Minister

    Party

    Took Office

    Left Office

    Bairbre de Brún (Sinn Féin)

    Sinn Féin

    29 November 1999

    11 February 2000 Wikipedia+2CAIN+2

    Bairbre de Brún (re-appointed after suspension)

    Sinn Féin

    30 May 2000

    14 October 2002 Wikipedia+2CAIN+2

    Office suspended / Direct Rule

    periods during suspensions (various)

    Wikipedia+2CAIN+2

    Michael McGimpsey (Ulster Unionist Party)

    UUP

    8 May 2007

    5 May 2011 Wikipedia+2Wikipedia+2

    Edwin Poots (Democratic Unionist Party)

    DUP

    16 May 2011

    23 September 2014 Wikipedia+2HSC Public Health Agency+2

    Jim Wells (DUP)

    DUP

    24 September 2014

    11 May 2015 Wikipedia+1

    Simon Hamilton (DUP)

    DUP

    11 May 2015

    30 March 2016 Wikipedia+1

    Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin)

    Sinn Féin

    25 May 2016

    2 March 2017 Wikipedia+2Wikipedia+2

    Office suspended

    after 2 March 2017 until devolved government restored

    Wikipedia+1

    Robin Swann (Ulster Unionist Party)

    UUP

    11 January 2020

    27 October 2022 Wikipedia+1

    Office suspended again

    27 October 2022 to 3 February 2024 Wikipedia

    Robin Swann (UUP) (second term)

    UUP

    3 February 2024

    29 May 2024 Wikipedia+1

    Mike Nesbitt (Ulster Unionist Party)

    UUP



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,677 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    And the end result is that the nhs in N.I. is still free, despite them having lower tax rates to pay for it ( eg vat, vrt, excise duties). And here there are high fees to visit a doctor, high a+e fees, high costs of health insurance (vhi etc) which many people struggle to pay, and do pay, because the HSE system is so bad etc. Fees charges by my doctor have been increasing over the years, not decreasing. That propogandist (northern nationalist) who wrote for sluggerotoole about here in the Republic "free GP care being expanded to all citizens by 2026" and that "in the Republic, 

    "patient charges are being abolished, GP care is being made universal", has not a clue. He is feeding nationalists porkies about our healthcare here in the Republic that nobody here in the Republic would believe.

    Or maybe you believe him about "free GP care being expanded to all citizens by 2026" ? If you believe that, you would believe a U.I. would be a fair and equitable place for that community / those who identified as Unionists too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,159 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I listen to NI media and read it and across it, this is what I am seeing a realisation of;

    Because the uncomfortable truth is this: it’s Northern Ireland, not the Republic, where people are increasingly paying through the nose for healthcare.

    If the public debate about Ireland’s future is to mean anything, it has to be based on facts, not myths.

    The 'NHS is better' myth is being demolished and once that is demolished then eyes will open just a bit more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,677 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    So you have conceded that the myth peddled by the Northern nationalist is untrue : he said that here in the Republic  "free GP care being expanded to all citizens by 2026" and that "in the Republic, "patient charges are being abolished, GP care is being made universal". lol.

    As I said, he is feeding nationalists porkies about our healthcare here in the Republic that nobody here in the Republic would believe. Nonbody here after paying 70 to see a doctor, 100 to go to a+e etc. Not to mention our astronomical vhi charges that many here feel they have to pay, in addition to doctors fees , high taxes etc. Of course SF would do things better here says you. Yeah.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,159 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    😁😁

    Don't know about you, but that comment reads 'the NHS is better myth is being demolished'.

    But whatever helps you sleep nights, I suppose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,963 ✭✭✭csirl


    Its probably better to characterise the difference as follows:

    Healthcare is free for working families living in N.I., but the service/outcomes are not as good.

    Working families in the rest of Ireland contribute to healthcare costs via GP/A&E fees and/,or health insurance, but the service and outcomes are better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,677 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    You missed the point. The northern nationalist politician writing in the sluggerO'Toole article stated that, here in the Republic  "free GP care being expanded to all citizens by 2026" and that "in the Republic, "patient charges are being abolished, GP care is being made universal".

    He is, of course, incorrect.

    As I said, he is feeding nationalists porkies about our healthcare here in the Republic that nobody here in the Republic would believe. He should try having to pay €70 here just to see a doctor, €100 to go to a+e etc. Not to mention our astronomical vhi charges that many here feel they have to pay, in addition to doctors fees , high taxes etc.

    sluggerotoole is no better than an phoblocht after an article like that.

    I'll eat my words if I get free GP care by 2026. As it is, my GP is more expensive than ever, and I am paying more vhi than ever, more vat than ever, more vrt than ever whenever I change my car etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,677 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Not that long ago, 6 years ago, in comparison to the UK, it was reported we have per capita 20 per cent more expenditure on health, 11 per cent more doctors and 56 per cent more nurses. And yet our health outcomes are substantially worse. Have things really got that much worse under Labour government in UK and SF First Minister in N.I.?

    Of course there are statistics and there are statistics : for example, the UK has an older population than Ireland, so life expectancy is not as long there. Plus I think we have more space, fresh air, nature, definitely a better quality of life on average.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,159 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Your choice again, eyes open or head in the sand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,677 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Are you implying the people here paying high doctors fees here, high a&e fees, high VHI fees etc as well as high taxes ( higher vat rates, higher excise duties, higher vrt etc ) all have our heads in the sand?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,677 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    The average adult private healthcare premium here (vhi etc) is around €1,830 annually as of September 2025. Some people used to the NHS in N.I. do not grasp that. Plus €70 to see a doctor. Ouch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,159 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Read the articles and listen to the discussions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,677 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    I read all the articles you posted. Most of it very slanted reporting. For example, you have the Northern republican politician claiming, in writing - and he should know better - that here in the Republic  "free GP care being expanded to all citizens by 2026" and that "in the Republic, "patient charges are being abolished, GP care is being made universal". lol.

    That is not a true reflection of reality, as you would know if you paid €70 here to see a doctor, €100 to go to a+e etc. Not to mention our astronomical vhi charges that many here feel they have to pay. Why do northern republicans like him tell porkies about our healthcare here in the Republic that nobody here in the Republic would believe?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,159 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    No surprise John Taylor is a part of this bit of overwrought sensationalism. He has been called out multiple times for his bigoted and indeed racist posts on Twitter.

    You get the distinct feeling that this has become the last stand of these bigots in many ways.

    Unionism needs to wake up to the fact that this is just the thin end of the wedge. Their ultimate aim is to require every school child to have to learn Irish, every private company and public body to have to adopt bilingual practices; and the penalties for not doing so will be exclusion from participating in public sector contracts or holding public sector jobs. Their objective is to remove any vestige of Britishness from our country.

    https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/five-veteran-ulster-unionists-speak-out-against-belfast-council-plans-saying-imposing-irish-is-contrary-to-the-1998-good-friday-agreement-that-we-helped-to-negotiate-5355510



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,677 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Nothing racist or bigoted about his opinion above. He is not far from the truth. It is your opinions about him that are racist and bigoted if anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,159 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I didn't say it was, I said it was 'overwrought sensationalism', namely this bit:

     Their ultimate aim is to require every school child to have to learn Irish, every private company and public body to have to adopt bilingual practices; and the penalties for not doing so will be exclusion from participating in public sector contracts or holding public sector jobs. Their objective is to remove any vestige of Britishness from our country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,677 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    You called him a bigot. You wrote "You get the distinct feeling that this has become the last stand of these bigots in many ways.".

    So you are rowing back now and only calling him a "sensationalist"? Even though you wrote "He has been called out multiple times for his bigoted and indeed racist posts".



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