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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭jmcc


    It isn't a very good argument for voting for a candidate. Neither of them have any experience of being president. For floating voters, it may come down to voting for who can do the job competently.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Again, as said several times, rehabilitation requires 'judgement calls' and if that is yours that is entirely your call.

    The hypocrisy here is parties that have rehabilitated everyone from Ahern through Lowry through McGahon and more, calling out somebody who believes in rehabilitation.

    @blanch152 Brolly (a click bait idiot) was heavily invested in your chosen candidate.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The questions were about Heather's record in government.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Unless we've suddenly moved into Trump's America, Ministers don't unilaterally get to decide who broke the law. That's why we have an independent judiciary.
    From what I read, O'Callaghan said that she broke the rules, not that she broke the law. He also didn't specify what actual rule he was talking about, which seems a little vague for a barrister or a Minister.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Fair call on the tone.

    On the content, it's not wildly inappropriate that the President's wife might have her own brain and her own opinions, and just might express them from time to time.

    Maybe we shouldn't be leaving calls for peace to the Pope. Maybe we all should be a bit more focused on actually stopping wars.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What express wishes are these?

    He didn't give approval, but I'm not aware of any 'express wishes' he made on the matter. When were these expressed?

    Or is this more of your 'clearly demonstrated' stuff that was never actually demonstrated?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,561 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Every person will have their own reasons - for some it’s as simple as to what degree they like the cut of their jib- it’s all valid as simply we all have 1 vote .

    Neither candidate sets the world on fire for me - I’m latching on to HH’s background as a person who could make progress with the wider Protestant community both in ROI and NI and help progress unity of people as opposed to a united ireland which I believe it’s decades away yet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Being genuinely honest;

    I dont think this conversation RE the SOR is entirely relevant anymore. We can get into hypotheticals of whether or not someone has been rehabilitated; Connolly critics can point to it taking 24 hours for her to reach the only logical conclusion re employing a rapist at the Aras. And that is a valid criticism.

    However CC did, finally, walk back one of her obvious unforced errors. That being that she would have to think about whether to employ this type of person at the Aras. And I do honestly have to commend her for that, despite it taking longer than it should have.

    What does genuinely baffle me is why she seems incapable of walking back all of her other controversies

    • Why not roll back on the Eirigi story? Simply say that, yes, she believes in rehabilitation, and the lady in question seemed qualified in that sense, as well as with regard to the position in Leinster House. But that, on mature reflection she understands why it seems controversial - perhaps going as far as to say - the ladys obvious extremist past may not have been 'fully apparent' to her, or she didnt consider it through a more public lens.
    • Why not roll back the Germany Comments? - CC could state clearly that, she worries about re-arming, as being antithetical to the cause of peace. But also acknowledge the changing nature of the world, the emergence of obvious bad actors - and how there are arguments for and against re-arming. She could then simply state that a comparison to the 1930s was not 'meant to be taken as literally as it has been'; (bending over backwards here)
    • RE the Syria trip; She could state that the conflict in Syria was of deep concern to her, and that she believed a field trip was warranted. She could acknowledge that the optics of this may not have been as positive as she intended. And that, on reflection, it may not have been totally appropriate to charge the costs of the trip to her expense account - she could even offer to cover the costs, it wouldnt be a huge financial burden to her

    Im bending over backwards to get the wording above correct. Im trying to 'maintain' her positions, while simultaneously rolling them back 'a few inches'. It would demonstrate political savvy, and a willingness to appeal more broadly.

    Id ask the question to her obvious supporters here; would any of the above damage your opinion of CC, and do you even partially see the benefit of this slight softening on her part?

    Its not that she isnt entitled to her opinions. Its that she needs to parse them for public consumption both her and abroad. We dont need situations where German ambassadors feel the need to comment publically on our presidential election.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The question was for Heather to answer and she bombed on it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


     Connolly critics can point to it taking 24 hours for her to reach the only logical conclusion re employing a rapist at the Aras. And that is a valid criticism.

    However CC did, finally, walk back one of her obvious unforced errors.

    This is a wrong take and renders the rest of your post irrelevant.

    She did not walk back an inch. She explained that her comment was in relation to rehabilitation and that 'having to reflect' was in relation to considering somebody who had raped but had successfully rehabilitated themselves.

    I.E. she was saying the sensationalists like J.C. MacNeill had gotten what she said totally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭liamtech


    This is a wrong take and renders the rest of your post irrelevant…

    She did not walk back an inch

    from the above post

    RE potential employment of a rapist in the Aras:

    CC went from 'having to think about it' - therefore she is OPEN to the possibility

    to

    Saying she 'would not do so' - she is NOT OPEN to the possibility

    This is what we call a rollback -

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/id-have-to-think-about-it-catherine-connolly-responds-to-question-on-whether-she-would-employ-convicted-rapist-in-aras/a2022226817.html

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41721009.html

    I dont know what to say, when supporters of a candidate who courts controversy, move to 'Roll back', their candidates attempted 'Roll back' of one such controversial topic. To me at least, it sounds like some supporters actually enjoy the controversy in the first place. That it is something they find appealling, and is one of the reasons for their support.

    @FrancieBrady leaving aside, for a moment at least, the above 'discussion' - do you see any benefit in CC merely rephrasing her positions on some of the more contentious opinions she has given? The words used have meaning, and it simply defuses some of the talking points. Even concentrating on the German question if you want, merely rephrasing the opinion would be worth something, would it not?

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,004 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,118 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    On the Syria trip.. CC said she funded it herself. Did she mean funded it with taxpayers’ monies that she was eligible for? It’s kind of ambiguous. No surprise!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The conversation with Cuddihy had nothing to do with somebody on the Sex Offenders list. Go listen to it, it is not a very long section. The conversation was about rehabilitation and in that context she said she would have to reflect on the case, as each case would be different.

    @FrancieBrady leaving aside, for a moment at least, the above 'discussion' - do you see any benefit in CC merely rephrasing her positions on some of the more contentious opinions she has given? The words used have meaning, and it simply defuses some of the talking points. Even concentrating on the German question if you want, merely rephrasing the opinion would be worth something, would it not?



    If she needs to clarify she seems more than willing to do that. But she is not willing to make her views more palatable to some in order just to win votes which contrasts with somebody who is working from scripted answers and wary of going off the reservation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,993 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Not too many want a war, but I'd say everyone would like to feel secure against those that do want one. You'd have to have a bit of cop on about that when you'd see a country invading another with the intention of seizing it or part of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Paddy Power also do their own opinion polling and sometimes publish them for GEs. It used to use RedC though I am not sure if they still use it. It is good publicity. The HRC payout was not the mistake that people here think. The Trump win was very close. He won the Electoral College vote but lost the popular vote. Only a few people really understood why Trump had changed from being an also-ran in September/October 2016 to a possible winner.

    The exact point was when Trump didn't get out of HRC's way in the town hall debate when she walked into his personal space. That's when people started to think of Trump as presidential. It is a kind of alpha male thing. Presidents don't have to move. Trump's Big Data game was much more proficient due to Cambridge Analytica. In this election, the first debate was that kind of a moment for the Irish electorate when they got to see Connolly debate without the filter of the legacy media to tell people what to think. Much of human communications is non-verbal and that is critical in an election. Body language matters.

    Connolly managed to appear presidential and that's the biggest hurdle, after brand awareness, for a candidate. The legacy media had been trying to smear Connolly with the Syria story and associate her with Wallace and Daly. The legacy media had a credibility crisis when the electorate got to see Connolly perform in that debate. So far, she has been much better than Humphreys.

    In some respects, McGuinness was the Joe Biden of this election (dropping out on medical grounds). Humphreys is quickly becoming the Kamala Harris candidate. Kamala Harris had a lot of fans in the media and Trump won overwhelmingly (Electoral College and popular vote) in 2024. The problem now for FG is if there is a surge in votes from people who see Connolly as the anti-FFG and anti-establishment candidate. The younger demographics, where the SocDems and SF are stronger than FF and FG, could be crucial.

    In recent times, debates decide elections. The 2011 presidential election when RTE used the fake tweet stopped Gallagher from winning and his use of the word "envelope" instantly killed his campaign. The 2024 Biden/Trump debate was a horror show that finished Biden.

    The first debate in this Irish presidential campaign changed Connolly from an also-ran to frontrunner and finished Gavin. The second debate, the TWIP debate, was mediocre and more of a boring chatshow than a debate. Connolly was still better than the other two. It was clear that Gavin didn't want to be there and had probably already made the decision to drop out (or it was made for him).

    The RTE Radio 1 debate showed that Connolly was more than just soundbites and showed that Humphreys had a set of rehearsed soundbites. When Humphreys was forced to go off the soundbites, (the Austerity question) she became less certain. There doesn't seem to be much movement on any of the other bookies and the RTE Radio 1 debate hasn't changed anything.

    Post edited by jmcc on

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,561 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    On the question of what can both candidates bring to help further the cause of peace and unity on the island of Ireland, what are posters thoughts?
    I’ve given my view above on HH-given her Protestant background I think she’s uniquely placed to add value here, especially considering the “orange” community didn’t take much to Michael D.
    I can only see CC sewing further divide but feel free to disagree



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,883 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Heather's repeated answers re Housing Crisis really irk me.

    "it's a problem for people that can't get houses"

    No Heather, it's a lot more complex and nuanced than that. For example what about people that are spending well over half their income on rent or mortgages. It's a very lame answer and comes across as completely uncaring. She never actually uses the word "homeless" either.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭liamtech


    If she needs to clarify she seems more than willing to do that. But she is not willing to make her views more palatable to some in order just to win votes which contrasts with somebody who is working from scripted answers and wary of going off the reservation. from the above post

    It will probably work out ok in this election Francie, but if the left 'tow this line', during a general, we are toast.

    IMHO she defused/rolled-back the 'rapist in the aras' fiasco. You for some reason, disagree. Fine, as baffling as it is to me, we will agree to disagree on this.

    Her factually inaccurate comparisons between Hitlerite Germany and the situation today in europe, remains out there. Its damaging for some, but clearly not to you, and i dare say, the rest of CC's base. Same goes for Syria, US Imperialism, her aforementioned stance on NATO, etc etc.

    In terms of a presidential election, facing off against someone as low-key as Heather Humphreys, this radical positioning may just work out. We dont know yet, and while i wouldnt bet against CC, I probably wouldnt bet against a HH resurgance as the election approaches. If CC wins it will have a lot to do with her poor opposition, and limited alternatives in this case. But again, I wouldnt put it past Connolly to shoot herself in the foot a few more times, between now and the 24th.

    If we move toward a more meaningful election, such as a Local, European or General, the Left needs to parse things, and yes, make themselves 'more palatable' to a greater number of voters. That is simply how elections work. Otherwise you will be left 'holding your principles with pride', while FFG form yet another government. In elections such as those mentioned above, every vote will count. Controversy's need to be defused in a timely manner. The debate will need to be framed around those topics that matter to every day voters. And we cannot afford to have someone go 'off script' and begin causing havok both here and abroad.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I disagree. There are absolutely many who want wars, mainly the businesses who benefit - those who provide equipment and supplies, and those who provide outsourced services, Haliburton, Blackwater and an entire industry of hundreds of other major providers in the US in the statements. These are very well funded to lobby and will fund political campaigns to achieve their aims, which is more war. Russia has Wagner group and others doing the same.

    The current approach isn't helping to those who want to feel secure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I don't mind returning to this after a poll when we will see more clearly what is gaining traction with voters.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,212 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    This media conspiracy theory you keep pushing is incredibly infantile.

    What's your take on the entirely false story published on Humphreys by The Ditch yesterday jmcc? For someone who is non-stop posting about the media pushing an agenda I was surprised to see you remained quiet on a story that was entirely incorrect (not just a little bit wrong, it was completely wrong) and a perfect example of a political hit piece.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Given that I never want Sinn Fein or PBP ever to hold the reins of power, I am coming around to accepting that CC may be a good outcome from this election. She won't be able to refrain from gaffes, there are too many of them. The reaction from abroad will enlighten Irish people that while such stuff is ok in a figurehead, when it comes to the real business of government, it is way too dangerous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,993 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    How many is that? Which countries do you speak of? The industry is based on military needs. If there are aggressors, and there are, then they are going to arm themselves in preparedness at all times. It is fundamentally important that peace loving nations are armed to be at least capable of defence in case of an aggressive attack. If you think otherwise then fundamentally you are allowing countries like Russia, China, North Korea, even the US, who are all capable of taking over countries and areas free rein to achieve their goals. This is where CC is very flawed. Unfortunately the world isn't full of peace-loving hymn singers. There aren't that many capable of it, but there are enough to pose that threat that needs to be countered and known to be ready to counter it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I have answered this several times, with the relevant quotes from the President's Office. Won't be responding to any more nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Yea thats fair.

    Il be curious about the next poll, to see the impact of Jim Gavins withdrawal, and the last week of the campaigning.

    It could be that Gavin splits slightly in favour of HH, but also adds to the spoiled voters tally. Which would probably elect CC, depending on the final amounts. I dont see the Gavin For Protest vote gaining much traction. McGuirk et al have dropped it entirely, preferring instead to promote a 'spoil your vote, for Steen' platform. Doubtless they will claim that every spoiled vote reflects support for Steen, which is nonsense.

    If anyone has any ideas on when we can expect another poll, id love to know

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,580 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    That is my main reason for voting for HH. It is what she represents inclusion the tricolour etc. Rather than what she says. It is the same reason I went for McGuinness in 2011. I know some Republicans like to erroneously paint her as an orange woman. Humphreys is simply a woman from the Presbyterian Protestant religion.


    But that is just another reason to vote for her as far as I am concerned. If it rattles extreme republicans. It must be a good choice.
    For me the President of Ireland is what they represent culturally.

    Not someone who wishes to use the Presidency as their own personal soapbox. Which is what Michael D. Higgins did in the last few years. Arguing he was not a “puppet” . But I would argue by that point Higgins lost sight of what the office of President of Ireland was for. And started to bring the office into disrepute. To me It took the shine off President Higgins good years when he was all about language, arts, sport - Irish culture.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭jmcc


    If The Ditch got it wrong, then it should issue a correction and an update.

    Regards…jmcc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Saturday/Sunday morning as usual I'd imagine.

    I would be expecting Heather to have closed the gap somewhat not due to her performance but due to that FF vote looking for a home. Nice little side-watch to see if many refuse to transfer to a FG candidate.
    No seeing the spoil your vote or vote for Gavin lobby getting much traction on SM either.



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