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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    All the regurgitated shite being posted by the genocide fanboys to justify slaughter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 686 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    You’ve been caught out once already today and haven’t addressed the two posters that called you out. I assume you won’t be addressing it either, as it made you look rather silly so you’ve tried the usual, which is run off and come back a few pages later hoping everyone has forgotten.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,229 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Trump will be a shoe in for the Nobel prize if he gets this over the line. He'll be able to fully focus on ending the Russian aggression too. Russia played a role in destabilising the middle East recently so it won't suit them being the only conflict in town.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,120 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    The investigation by the IDF soldier who was liking posts such as “Turn Gaza into a Slaughterhouse”.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,077 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Where on the food pyramid do I put petrol if I want a healthy, balanced diet? Asking for a friend.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    I actually didn't know that. When I looked it up before posting that didn't come up. So I apologize.

    There still is evidence for rape and sexual assaults, both on oct 7 and during captivity though.

    Edit: I've now looked up details of her UN speech and nothing I can find mentions anything you have detailed in your post. Do you have a link to that particular statement?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    A memorial wall is needed in Palestine commemorating those murdered during the latest genocide. The Vietnam Veterans Memorial commemorating those who died in the invasion of Vietnam is a place of healing for the families of the soldiers that died in Vietnam.

    The Vietnam Veterans Memorial commonly called the Vietnam Memorial, is a U.S. national memorial in Washington, D.C., honoring service members of the U.S. armed forces who served in the Vietnam War. The two-acre (8,100 m) site is dominated by two black granite walls engraved with the names of those service members who died or remain missing as a result of their service in Vietnam and South East Asia during the war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,120 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    No bother Ceadoin. I respect you as a poster for that. Yes, I agree, there were rapes on October 7th but the narrative around sexual violence alongside invasion is a well worn war propaganda trope and was exaggerated by Israel to give cover for their genocide.
    Also in Israel we had the storming of a police station to release the rapist of a Palestinian prisoner. A rapist who went on to become a mini celebrity on Israeli TV.

    Sexual violence is especially prevalent in war because it helps to dehumanise the victims.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,120 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Earlier this week I was in France and visited many WW1 sites and memorials. The scale of the graves is hard to grasp and one would almost have cemetery fatigue and i mean that in no way disrespectfully.

    One place that really hit a chord was outside Arras. The “Ring of Memory” a circular memorial containing 700,000 plus names of soldiers of all ranks, nationalities and religions, listed only by name, alphabetically.
    A dead German son is mourned just as deeply as a French son.
    An Israeli child, just as much a a Gazan child.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Sending them to The Hague tomorrow would be the best way for Israel and Palestine to move on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Israel will revert to type even Trump knows this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    International media need to be let into Gaza and the West Bank as part of phase one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    International task force set up to look for Israeli dead in Gaza that Hamas do not know the location of.

    Israeli government coordinator for hostage affairs Gal Hirsch said the joint task force was formed "to overcome expected difficulties and to ensure the full return of both the living and the dead".

    "We acted to set up an international task force that will have everything needed, including information and resources, to return the hostages to Israel," Hirsch told Haaretz.

    Israeli officials told CNN that Hamas may not be able to locate up to 10–15 bodies, based on intelligence shared during the talks.

    "The assessments are ongoing," one official said, adding that Israeli forces expect the recovery process to continue after the 72-hour window.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,192 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Jaysus sakes, we have posters waiting for Israel to resume the attacks … why? So you can pile back on the slating them?

    Give peace a chance here..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Over the last two years, the IDF have shown they prefer to bomb Palestinian cities and blow the civilians to smithereens.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,858 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Why are you quoting a post I made 2 years ago? Literally when the attack on Oct 7 was still unfolding?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,394 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's amazing that the same lies by the same handful of posters on this thread have to be refuted again and again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,482 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    They fully support the genocide and slaughter of Gazan civilians and deny it is happening at the same time - some weird mental gymnastics to arrive at that position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    Can't be any worse than the belief that the 65000 plus dead in Gaza don't include a large number of unreported Hamas terrorists.

    Strange Hamas have never revealed how many of the dead were their own members and left it to the west to propagate the myth they were all civilians .

    I suppose it doesn't suit the propaganda war



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    I already said I wasn't aware that she had said that, and still cant find anything about it tbh. Its not a lie to say that there was rape and sexual assault on October 7, and of the hostages afterwards. I mean hamas literally live streamed their activities on that day, we know what they did.

    Edit: so I've tried to find this supposed statement by naama levy where she allegedly claimed that it was "unsubstantiated propaganda" that she was assaulted and all I could find was an Iranian TV channel site which claimed

    "Naama Levy, the Israeli soldier whose capture image was widely used to drive global rallies and fuel Tel Aviv’s October 7 rape accusations against Hamas, has recently delivered a testimony that made no mention of sexual violence—further exposing Israel’s claims as unsubstantiated propaganda."

    So actually seems like she made no mention of it either way. So I think its probably safer to say we dont know than to believe literal iranian propaganda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,394 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    You just repeated a lie that had been debunked long ago, because you were so eager to score a point instead of trying to find out if there was any truth to it.

    These type of lies are getting refuted every few days by posters on here, because Israeli supporters can't be arsed to see if there's any validity to things they type.

    Dayinthebog has done the exact same thing as you and just blasted off a complete falsehood with regards to Levy.

    It might serve you and others on here to refrain from waving your star of David so vehemently and do some basic checking on what you're posting instead, because Israel have been caught lying time and time again that only a fool would automatically trust anything that comes of that country.

    Decapitated babies anyone…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,192 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    the poster didn’t lie. The poster made a genuine error that he/she has accepted was an error. Another poster corrected it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    No I didn't repeat a "debunked lie", I said that Naama Levy has never stated that she wasn't sexually assaulted. And this appears to be true. Even the iranian propaganda site where this seems to have come from states that she never mentioned it, which they take as evidence that it was "unsubstantiated propaganda" (which is the phrase that SafeSurfer used so I'm assuming that's where it's coming from?) I can find no reputable link with a direct quote from Levy at all.

    I already apologized for not knowing that she had said this, and now it seems like she never did anyway. If she did im fully prepared to accept that I didn't know about it. You cant really go on about others swallowing propaganda when you do the same thing yourself.

    Rapes and sexual assaults on Oct 7 and afterwards in the hostages have not been debunked. Its actually the opposite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,394 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    the poster didn’t lie.

    The poster repeated a lie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Please see my post above. I said that Naama Levy has never said she wasn't sexually assaulted, and that she hasnt said anything about it either way. How is that repeating a lie?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,482 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I've seen estimates that less than 10,000 Hamas members were killed during the two years of bombing - which makes sense when you look at the targets, such as residential buildings, hospitals, schools, mosques, refugee camps etc. It would be nigh on impossible to kill a Hamas member in these settings without killing innocent civilians as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,394 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    So going by what you said "Given the images of her beaten face and with heavily bloodstained pants, we can all come to our own conclusions as to what happened."

    What is it YOU think happened?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    My conclusion, and that of many other people, was/is that she was assaulted, and Shani Louk too.

    I've tried and can find zero credible evidence of the claims made in the response about her denying it. Again, she doesn't owe anyone any statement about it either way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,394 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    She was definitely assaulted. But there hasn't been any mention of rape in her ordeal, even on the wiki page.



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