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Presidential Election.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Have a listen yourself, I am sure it is on the Newstalk website.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    FF party is full of fooking Pussies. MM should be punished now and they should make sure he is not Taoiseach when Ireland holds the EU Presidency next January. MM wants that badly, please someone think of the children and take this away from him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,282 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    a bunch of morons heavily steeped in sectarianism and still living in the past.

    You're really not seeing the irony here, are you.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭skimpydoo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    It's been taken down. I was halfway through listening to the interview when it stopped playing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,788 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,515 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nah.
    I'll wait until the sensational news that a prospective president refuses to say if they'd sign a bill makes the general news,
    Quite a scoop that one.
    EDIT:
    I see it has made the newspapers.

    Of course she is going to have 'feelings' about ending the Triple Lock, something she is not hiding her opinion of. She accepts neutrality is not in the constitution but thinks there should be a referendum on it, like many people in this country do.
    As to the 'have you stopped beating your wife, rehabilitated rapist question, I see no issue about reflecting on individual cases as presented, rehabilitation requires sound judgement and she has already proved she has that.

    Post edited by FrancieBrady on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,334 ✭✭✭Archduke Franz Ferdinand


    IMG_9328.jpeg

    that’s the ff sheep mollified and leadership heave averted…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,286 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    CC couldn’t even promote and praise our national language without ending it with a slating of another language, and another people, English. She’s a strange fish, and about as far from a pacifist as can be.

    She’s inherently divisive. She is anti integration!!! She’s a poor choice for a 21st century president who should be promoting harmony.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Please point me to such a quote.

    Is CC to the left of anarcho-sydicalists and anti-fascist groups? And if so, does that mean that’s where the country is now as she’s flying in the polls?

    I also observe that you’re unable to answer my question on Independent Ireland. Hmmm.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They really are a pathetic bunch. Are they that afraid of Mehole?

    Not helping themselves either..next polls will be interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭jmcc


    There should be an Irish Times/Ipsos-B&A poll in the next week or so. It uses face to face polling and is generally considered more accurate than the panel based methodology used by Ireland Thinks and RedC. FF may take a hit in both the Ipsos-B&A and the RedC poll based on the Gavin fiasco. The problem with the IT poll is that it is no longer a monthly poll. It is more of a quarterly poll so it is not really good for drawing any major conclusions other than it being a snapshot of public opinion at a given time. The RedC and Ireland Thinks polls are monthly and give a more accurate indication of how opinion chances within a few weeks.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,775 ✭✭✭Allinall


    none of the parties will be in the least bit interested in a poll 4 years out from an election.

    Especially FF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,710 ✭✭✭yagan


    I don't know what the fuss is, laws have been sent back by presidents in the past.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,334 ✭✭✭Archduke Franz Ferdinand


    lt’s about self preservation, common enough in most political dna. But this particular group of ff’s are for the most part particularly craven devotees of Martin. Fear.. possibly, but mostly self preservation. That’s what he’s relying on. It was interesting to hear how several were “summoned “ to his office for individual meetings with him prior to the “main event”. No doubt those who were grumbling on media outlets. If l’d been one of those ld have told him, no… you’ll hear what lve to say at the meeting. Another interesting thing that was leaked out was that pat the cope intervened at one point to tell Martin to allow someone to speak and he asked the chair to do his job and allow the point to be made. Martin is a dictator within his own party, no doubt. It’s the hypocrisy that annoys me when he scutters on about democracy



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,190 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Well obviously the part does not agree with you and at the end of the day it's their decision. Personally I've had a poor opinion of the man long before most of you ever heard of him as based on my interactions with the man I got the impression he was not great at marshling facts.

    That said background checks can only go so far and mainly rely on information in the public domain, so expecting Martin or anyone else for that matter to have identify a candidate's lie about a private financal arrangment is unrealistic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,877 ✭✭✭Hoboo




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That's a pretty good summary.

    He is in no position to lecture anyone on democracy, it would be nice if the opposition called him out on it.

    FF haven't changed a bit…still the same old sleveen gombeen men they always were.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,829 ✭✭✭plodder


    Whatever about the AG thing, I disagree with you on the media report below:

    This month’s poll will now be the first presidential election in more than 50 years to only have two candidates actively contesting

    I think it's misleading or at least lazy. They could have prefaced the sentence with. "While there has been many instances where presidents were elected or re-elected unopposed as agreed candidates among all parties".

    "actively contesting" is ambiguous because it refers both to the fact that Jim Gavin won't be contesting actively, and also to the fact that two previous elections in the last 50 years (1976 and 1983) had only one candidate so there was no contest.

    It feeds this narrative that FFG are a bunch of rotten bastards for blocking third party candidates (and democratic choice) when they used to abstain. But, if you look at the list of presidential election candidates, the first ever county council nominations were Derek Nally and Rosemary Scallon (Dana) in 1997, both of whom had a minor political profile albeit outside the Irish party system. The first time there was three candidates even was 1990.

    Since the last two elections, the process has turned into a circus. There were a total of 13 candidates for the last two elections, whereas there was only 23 for all previous elections combined. The media have been touting this "new normal" because it's a circus, possibly reaching its peak with Joanne Donnelly waking up one morning and deciding to have a shot at it (and being interviewed by RTE on prime time radio the same day). I have some sympathy for the view that conservative voices have been excluded, but Maria Steen almost made it and maybe next time she will. Just to add, she would be much better served looking for a seat in the senate imo.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Who is voting for Connolly but would have voted for Mairead McGuinness had she been on the ballot?

    RTE Radio 1 just said there is a "slight deviation" between what Connolly has said before and is saying now about the €3700.

    Its akin to a Pandoras Box where we keep finding out something new about the candidate, after the Ursulla Ni Shonnain story.

    Will there be more iterations if she is president?

    It seems very tame compared to the circumstances Cearbhail O'Dalaigh resigned over in 1973.

    Labour used to wary of the Hard Left. Now it embraces it, except a few like Alan Kelly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Alan Kelly and some of the other older Labourites would be more comfortable with FF/FG. They are stuck in the 2.5 party era when Labour was the half party that FF or FG required to make up a government. As for RTE, I think that the electorate has become quite cynical about claims emanating from there regarding Connolly. After all, it got a nice little bailout of over 700 million Euro.

    It wouldn't be surprising to see some women who might previously have voted for McGuinness voting for Connolly on the basis that she seems a fundamentally decent person.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,710 ✭✭✭yagan


    Just on the consquences for Martin. He may be still be party leader today, but after his sidestepping of elected reps in favour of a political unknown which ended up ruling FF out of the race entirely it's most likely party members will openly discuss succession in front of their leader and there's nought he can say about it.

    The Gavin Gamble was by the looks of it was entirely Martin's mire, and those he railroaded won't be hoisting him on their shoulders towards the next election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Pontificating about the military industrial complex does not save the lives of those in Kyiv being bombed today. If she is opposed to Europe sending them weapons, that amounts to denying the right of the Ukrainians to self defence in my opinion. It is legitimate to argue Ireland shouldnt send weapons, but for me thats only because we have no military allies to share the burden of defending us, and have hardly any military capability anyway (by political choice).

    In 2023 Connolly participated in a forum discussing neutrality and the war in Ukraine. The forum included SF's Mairead Farrell, Clare Daly, Mick Wallace George Galloway, an outspoken supporter of Russia who was employed by its foreign news service Sputnik. Will any of these be appointed to the Council of State?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,282 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    There's nothing in the constituion that obliges us to be neutral. Surely CC knows this?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,282 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    🙄 Referring a bill to the Supreme Court to ensure that it is constitutional is nothing like a President refusing to sign a bill because they don't like it. But the Constitution is explicit on this, the President must sign a bill if it is constitutional.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,515 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


     Surely CC knows this

    So much so she actually said it in that very interview. Shock horror!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,282 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    They only mention "actively contesting" because there will still be 3 names on the ballot but to all intents and purposes it's a two horse race (always was, really…)

    Agree that having 6 or 7 candidates like the last two times is a circus, and it's no wonder the media loves the attention and clicks that generates. But there's no point having candidates on the paper if they're not suitable for the office, Dragons Den ffs. Gavin looked decent on paper but we saw how that worked out…

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,591 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Nope, I ignored it because you were trying to deflect away from your scrambling attempts to define CC as not extremely left wing, which you're still doing.

    If you must, if II are not right wing, why were you revelling in the 'irony' of them backing CC?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Joining NATO would require a referendum (Crotty case makes this clear), joining a war alongside NATO would not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,282 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Martin was always going to step down before the next election - when his term as Taoiseach ends. He'll probably make it that far seeing as there is nobody willing to challenge him now

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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