Israel/Palestine Thread

where did I say the West Bank would end the war? I was simply responding to another poster who seems to be insinuating that the war started out of nowhere, absolutely out of the blue on October 7th. It sounds like the poster really has very little understanding. So maybe check what I am replying to before coming back with silly replies like you just did.

You also have some neck accusing me of whatabouteru when you somehow managed to “what about” Ian Bailey into the conversation last week.

I also don’t get why you keep repeating the line about people being thousands of miles away and having an opinion on this. How does that work? Isn’t that exactly what you’re doing? Should we fly closer to the war zone in order to have an opinion on it?

Apparently it's looking like a deal might be reached by the weekend. Hopefully this is the case and a permanent ceasefire can be agreed.

they’ve generally been accepted by most relevant bodies and authorities as being fairly accurate, and their numbers in previous conflicts aligned closely with Israel’s.

Regardless of that, because I am sure you’ll find a way to disagree, it beggars belief that the side doing all the killing bans all journalists and investigators from going into Gaza, and then their genocide supporters on here come on and trot out the usual lines, basically saying “we don’t believe the numbers until someone else verifies them” while at the same time supporting the very state who refuse those bodies access.

The gymnastics some posters on here will go through…

Say what you like about Trump, but he gets things done.

Put Benjamin in his place for sure.

There are plenty of online articles explaining what actually happened on October 7 2023. Some of the myths are exposed below. On the internet, look for images of bombed out vehicles from October 7, they were incinerated by helicopter gunships not by Hamas fire.

As it turned out, there were never “40 beheaded babies”, in fact, not a single Israeli baby was beheaded by any Palestinian. The Grayzone had at the time tracked this claim back to the soldier who informed I24 News of the story, naming the originator of the hoax as David Ben-Zion, a fanatical illegal settlement movement leader.

The Western corporate media were up in arms about beheaded Israeli babies, yet countless Palestinian babies have since been beheaded in Gaza, none of them making it into the headlines. No emotional diatribes on broadcast media, tears from presenters, or even dramatic moments of confirmation, their names didn’t even get a mention.

Since the hoax was debunked, this has been perhaps the most taboo propaganda claim to repeat, yet that hasn’t stopped other lies about babies being spread by Western politicians, TV show hosts, and Israelis themselves.

These lies were spread by Israeli soldiers and rescue teams like the infamous ZAKA organization, including claims about babies being strung up on clothing lines, baked in ovens and burned alive, even that a fetus was cut out of a woman’s womb. Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu also repeated the lie that Hamas “burned babies alive” during his July 2024 address to Congress, where he received a record number of standing ovations from an audience of AIPAC-paid politicians. 

In reality, only one Israeli baby was killed on October 7, amidst Hamas-Israeli crossfire. Although this is now a well-established fact, countless lies about the deaths of babies are still being spread every day. Take, for example, the Democratic Party’s former Presidential candidate, Pete Buttigieg, who recently claimed that Hamas had put babies in ovens, a claim that went unchallenged when he made it. 

The problem is Syd, you're looking at this from a moral POV. You are talking about what's right and you want justice.

Unfortunately that's not realistic. For there to be a lasting peace, there needs to be a ceasefire and then negotiations. Someone needs to make the first concession and I can't see Israel taking that step. Hamas will have to concede first. Only then will there be a chance of a negotiated peace. And the possibility of Netenyahu facing justice.

no the actual truth i'm afraid, you can't deal with it because it shows your true nature which is being called out.
they expect not to be kidnapped in international waters and held hostage and forcibly brought to a country they weren't going to.
yes the bot comments online will be ranting and raving along with the genocide supporters and others with the usual tendencies, but it's not an actual majority in reality, they just shout the loudist and the most.

From Truth Social, via twitter:

Clash Report@clashreport BREAKING: Trump:I am very proud to announce that Israel and Hamas have both signed off on the first Phase of our Peace Plan. This means that ALL of the Hostages will be released very soon, and Israel will withdraw their Troops to an agreed upon line as the first steps toward a Strong, Durable, and Everlasting Peace. All Parties will be treated fairly!This is a GREAT Day for the Arab and Muslim World, Israel, all surrounding Nations, and the United States of America, and we thank the mediators from Qatar, Egypt, and Turkey, who worked with us to make this Historic and Unprecedented Event happen. BLESSED ARE THE PEACEMAKERS!

A ceasefire that will last a few days.

Like the last 80 years.

Wasn’t there a ceasefire a few months ago?

You are about 36 hours behind the news. Hamas are negotiating. Israel are under pressure because the whole world, including Trump, has had enough of them.

if Trump describes Russia as a paper tiger for not conquering a country larger than France in 3 years. What must he think of the great IDF who couldn’t conquer a territory half the size of County Louth with billions in US money and weapons.
What a complete shambles for Israel. Bibi’s gotta go.

In theory, yes.

The last one never was meant to be

That's pretty much irrelevant to what I posted though…