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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 980 ✭✭✭batman75


    So Niall Donald a journalist has been revealed to be the tenant whom Jim Gavin received rent from in error to the tune of 3k. Apparently Jack Chambers knew about this some time in September 2025. Why at that point he didn't immediately repay the money is something I find staggering. It wouldn't had undone the delay in repaying but it would have helped with the optics ie an oversight which has now been corrected etc. Better still would have been to repay lets say 3500 as a way of an apology etc.

    FF's handling of this has been appalling. I can understand Jim Gavin maybe not understanding the potential time bomb this story represented but Chambers and Michael have been around the political block so should have been proactive. Either repay or drop out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,195 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    A lot of the vote against the Family Care referendum was because it didn't appreciate the role that most women take in providing care or frame the wording properly. It also discriminated against people with disabilities . I am left leaning and voted against it and many others on the left did so because the Disability Association of Ireland ( who were very angry about it ) and other family oriented organizations did not agree with its wording, and neither did we

    No point trying to make a change to the constitution that will make things worse for the people involved.

    The right in Ireland have tried to claim this as their victory but that is incorrect.

    I see you have that in your next post so no offense .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,710 ✭✭✭yagan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,788 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Well as much as this is embarrassing for him- he should - it’s as simple as that - he received money that didn’t belong to him. It’s probably the simplest and most basic error that can happen - over payment- there’s no complex legal situation - there’s no ambiguity to be worked through- it’s as if someone left their wallet behind in your house - it’s not yours, so give it back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,677 ✭✭✭kerryjack


    what money FF owned the horse, Jim was only the jockey and when he fell off at the first fence they all came along and started kicking him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Cannot understand why he did not continue to seek the € 3,300 6 months or 6 years ago? Its a sizeable amount of money, most people would not write it off easily. Some people may even be of the opinion that to seek say € 10,000 from the Presidential canditate would have being a fair repayment …say the € 3,300 plus 18 years interest or whatever it is. € 3,300 was worth a lot more 2 decades ago than now, what with inflation etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭almostover


    I think it's fairly clear to most that Connolly would be quite closely aligned with PBP, who would be the most extreme left grouping in Dáil Eireann.

    And II are the most right-wing grouping in the Dáil. They are opposed to a woman's right to choose termination for example.

    The only groups I can think of further left are Eirigí, who have no political representation in the Dáil or local government. Who CC also seems to be fond of.

    And the likes of the National Party to the right, who again have no representation in the Dáil and have 1 county councillor (Gavin Pepper).

    And just to help you understand:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,012 ✭✭✭Dublin Calling


    Was the overpaid rent the 'untrue malicious rumours' circulating on social media, or are there other issues?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,788 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “as the least worst option.”

    There’s certainly strong CC supporters out there - less so - much less so actually for HH- I’ll be choosing “the least worst option” also but it won’t be CC 😀 But you’re right, many people like ourselves believe the choice this election is poor



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,282 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    There were people opposed to that referendum from the right, the left and the middle so to claim it all now as an endorsement of 'conservative values' does not wash

    It was badly worded, the government campaigned badly and the opportunity was there for a protest vote too.

    No idea where you're getting "the public was more conservative than they [who?] are on issues like same sex marriage, contraception , divorce and abortion." from.

    SSM and abortion endorsed 2 to 1. Divorce narrowly, but that was a very long time ago now and no serious person wants to ban it. Contraception, you must be having a laugh. Even the opponents to abortion who were opposing the morning after pill a few years before, were saying during the repeal referendum that the morning after pill meant abortion wasn't needed!

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 980 ✭✭✭batman75


    Listening to the pod with Nicola Tallant it seems he was worried about the cost of taking a case and uncertain about the outcome. So I can understand. Jim Gavin comes out of this in an appalling light. Niall Donald the tenant comes across really well and just a decent guy who was wronged. Gavin if he has a brain cell between his ears will repay Niall but I have my doubts. Apparently I'm see in that 3300 euro is now worth about 4700.

    Karma has come back to bite Gavin in the ass. Let it be a lesson to us all if we're tempted to be cute.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭almostover


    It seems like he made great efforts to get his money back and was stonewalled by Jim. Solicitors letters etc. The only option left would have been legal action which would have potentially cost him multiples of the owed sum if he wasn't successful. Not to mention the stress and time involved. He'd be lucky to have his €3.3k back by now with the time it would take to get through the courts with it. Many people in the wrong know this when it comes to smaller sums of money, most people are unlikely to take legal action unless they already had the financial means to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,788 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    It’s obvious Steen looked at the final line up and decided she’d have a good chance of getting her money back and some publicity for whatever causes were rocking her boat - it absolutely stank of a last minute decision



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,657 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The malicious rumors were complete nonsense and completely unrelated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,282 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The government can't force her to stay silent. This is a very common misconception. There are specific circumstances - a President addressing the Oireachtas, or an official address to the nation - where the government must approve the text. MDH said plenty of things which the government would have rather he didn't, e.g. housing, but he didn't insult fellow EU nations.

    There is a very big risk that CC would embarrass us with gratuitous insults like comparing modern-day Germany to Nazis, or saying that France can't be trusted. Bad enough as a backbench TD but disastrous as President.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,923 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    At the time, very few landlords were RTB registered, they changed the legislation to give it more teeth in 2022. Tenants could claim a rent tax credit which would catch the landlords out (there was an optional landlord PPS field) if they weren't tax compliant. You, as a tenant, could also say you wouldn't claim the credit (for a cheaper untaxed rent) and then claim it years later after moving out and the landlord would have no recourse.

    >Was a tenant in the early 2000's, not RTB registered but tax was being done lawfully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,282 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    So maybe the real takeaway is that people need to have affordable access to the courts… it's unfair that the tenant was left with no reasonable legal recourse.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Dont forget Humphreys was a cabinet minister in that government so shes not blameless if she is unpopular because of that.

    Its very hard to get a handle on what she represents. A presbyterian folksy style rural politician who attended Orange order events and is married to a member of same. But shes a republician and was minister for the gaeltacht and is now aiming for the presidency despite not speaking irish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I said "Its clear on the Family Care referendum, that the public was more conservative than they are on issues like same sex marriage, contraception , divorce and abortion. "

    By "they" I also mean the public. I mean that the public are liberal on same sex marriage, abortion and contraception, but more conservative in the family care referendum issues. I happen to be gay so I'm not opposed to SSM. John Boyne the author is gay but he is getting called a "terf" because of his disagreement with trans activists on some issues



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,234 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Classic !! 🤣

    Can we find a deserted island and give it to the Burkes and Iona and the Roman corporation to live on?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Western view do you feel that people from an Orange background, in a United Ireland, should be excluded from the presidency?

    I think if that's our view, there's not going to be a united Ireland, or certainly not a stable one.

    She is being criticised for socialising with members of her community, which have a different historical perspective. Even Wolfe Tone while an Irish Republican may have had mixed feelings, as an Anglican on William of Orange, the Boyne etc. To Catholics it's about the Penal laws. But we often dont appreciate that William was also the start of Parliamentary supremacy, which centuries later would lead to democracy after religious penal laws ended, and property qualifications abolished. That's the aspect Unionists tend to focus on.

    When I was learning about James and William in school, it focused pretty much only on the religious aspect. But it didnt focus on issues from his reign in Britain like the Western Assizes where hundreds of rebels against James were deported to the Caribbean, or executed. Or the trial of the Church of England bishops. I think all of that should be taught as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,261 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    people are asking why Jim didn’t pay the tenant back in early September when this came to light … I’m not sure if people realise the type of operator Jim is …

    Remember, The facts are that After the tenant made numerous attempts to contact Jim, he reluctantly dropped a confidential letter addressed to Jim to JG parents house.

    He asked the parents to provide the letter to Jim but didn’t want to involve them any further than that.

    Jim rang the tenant off a private number late that same night, and was extremely irate that the tenant had the temerity to show up at his parents house.

    Jim was extremely angry then once he eventually calmed down he told the tenant he was transferring the money right there and then online. He assured him he would have his money within a few days.

    Remember, this is months after the tenant first requested Jim to pay him back.

    The tenant never received the money.

    People need to take the blinkers off when it comes to Jim Gavin.

    Then Jim says he remembers none of this when asked specifics by FF. Never happened sez Jim.

    Then, he keeps digging a hole when he appears on last Sundays debate. he gives a very wishy washy response and doesn’t admit fault. He goes on about how it was tough time for him back then and plays the sympathy card at every opportunity.

    I can think of a few words that describe Jim and his type but will leave that to others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,933 ✭✭✭take everything


    For the life of me, I don't understand why people are feeling sorry for Jim Gavin.

    He didn't return money that didn't belong to him. He campaigned for presidency knowing this. This was either not made clear to FF or, as is becoming increasingly clear, they all knew about this and tried to ignore it and brazen it out against a tenant who was a journalist of all things.

    So Gavin is just an idiot as well as dishonest and someone who takes money that isn't his (would that be a thief ?).

    What am I missing here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    It's been brilliant watching her grow into the campaign as the days go by. For a clearly right wing organisation like II to back her says a lot about her as a person who can inspire and unite a nation. Once she's elected (fingers crossed) she will make a wonderful president.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭dmakc


    I truly believe there was worse to come for Jim Gavin. Dismiss it all you like, but if you withhold €3,300 from a tenant and think you can run for president, you're perfectly capable of performing the other rumours too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Marcos


    I listened to it. He's currently deputy editor of the Sunday World, and is far more forgiving of Gavin than most people would be. He outlines the fact that he tried numerous times to contact Gavin, and the only time he got any reply was when he dropped off a solicitors letter in an envelope marked private and confidential to Gavin's parents house and asked them to pass it on to him. This was after all other attempts to contact him had failed in 2010, two or three years after the overpayment.

    After midnight he got an irate call from Gavin who said he was transferring the money and it would be in his account in five working days. It still hasn't arrived.

    A colleague of his tried to get another paper to run the story earlier but it was spiked. Many people in journalism knew about this and the tenant was getting slagged off every time Dublin won an All Ireland. Despite this, he wasn't waiting in the long grass for Gavin. He showed more sympathy than most would, myself included, and said that if he was even paid back at the start of the Presidential campaign he would have considered the matter over.

    What got him was when Gavin said he didn't remember which he basically felt was making a liar out of him, so he supplied the documentation to support his story.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,775 ✭✭✭Allinall




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Nowhere did i say people from an Orange background should be excluded. Im merely pointing out inconsistencies in her candidacy. When asked about her husband she denied he was in the Orange order when in fact he was.

    You ignored the fact that she is a self proclaimed republican in Dail eireann yet she never learned irish despite promising to back when she was minister for the gaeltacht.

    My inclination is generally to vote for a centrist candidate but she is not making it easy to predict what she stands for.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,710 ✭✭✭yagan


    According to the headline on the examiner Gavin will refund his former tenant subject to a couple of clarifications.

    This just shows what a weaselly character he really is if he thinks that's anything else to this story other than him not settling accounts with someone who even paid for legal services to resolve the matter at the time.

    Scummy is truly the most apt descriptive of such behaviour.



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